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Boost a dirty channel: "Proper" clean boost or OD

Post by dflipp » Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:19 pm

Hey guys!

So... I'm trying to boost the "dirty" Channel B of my Thunderverb 50 for added "WHOOOP", "tightness" and "full bodied-ness" and I would like to know your opinions, as I won't have the chance to try all of these...

Which, "in theory", will offer better results? A "proper" clean boost, (the likes of the TC Spark, Pigtronix Class A Boost, EP Booster, MXR Micro Amp) or OD like the Fulltone OCD and Maxon OD808 (which I've heard "work" great with Orange Amps - in fact Orange blog "recommends" them)?

I've also read that a Compressor (?) might work wonders... Where and how?

Any and all thoughts on this very much welcomed!

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,

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Re: Boost a dirty channel: "Proper" clean boost or OD

Post by Jondog » Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:40 pm

I’d go with a tubescreamer like an 808 if you want to tighten it up.
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Re: Boost a dirty channel: "Proper" clean boost or OD

Post by Landshark » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:21 pm

A EQ Pedal is another option. I use one to cut the muddiness and tighten up the sound
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Re: Boost a dirty channel: "Proper" clean boost or OD

Post by adkguy07 » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:40 pm

Landshark wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:21 pm
A EQ Pedal is another option. I use one to cut the muddiness and tighten up the sound
I was thinking of an e.q. pedal to use with my Dark Terror. What is your method with your
e.q. to cut any mud and add a tighter sound?


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Re: Boost a dirty channel: "Proper" clean boost or OD

Post by Les Paul Lover » Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:41 am

adkguy07 wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:40 pm
Landshark wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:21 pm
A EQ Pedal is another option. I use one to cut the muddiness and tighten up the sound
I was thinking of an e.q. pedal to use with my Dark Terror. What is your method with your
e.q. to cut any mud and add a tighter sound?


adkguy07
Cut the low end and low mids, boost high mids and high end.
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Re: Boost a dirty channel: "Proper" clean boost or OD

Post by Landshark » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:53 am

Les Paul Lover wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:41 am
adkguy07 wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:40 pm
Landshark wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:21 pm
A EQ Pedal is another option. I use one to cut the muddiness and tighten up the sound
I was thinking of an e.q. pedal to use with my Dark Terror. What is your method with your
e.q. to cut any mud and add a tighter sound?


adkguy07
Exactly this. Cut the 200 frequency to reduce mud. I didn’t make any drastic cuts or boosts. I think the biggest was - 5db in the 200 range. Then just slight 1 or 2 bd boosts to the upper mids and higher frequencies.All depends on your personal choice of the sound you like

Cut the low end and low mids, boost high mids and high end.
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Re: Boost a dirty channel: "Proper" clean boost or OD

Post by daveydoom » Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:39 pm

+1 for a tube screamer... it’ll tighten up your tone. A clean boost like a klone or mxr pre amp will add more “hair” and presence to your sound, which can be cool but can also get muddy if dialed wrong

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Re: Boost a dirty channel: "Proper" clean boost or OD

Post by Old School » Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:52 pm

adkguy07 wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:40 pm
Landshark wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:21 pm
A EQ Pedal is another option. I use one to cut the muddiness and tighten up the sound
I was thinking of an e.q. pedal to use with my Dark Terror. What is your method with your
e.q. to cut any mud and add a tighter sound?


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Re: Boost a dirty channel: "Proper" clean boost or OD

Post by beninma » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:36 pm

I am completely in the "Proper Clean Boost" camp.

I've tried the OCD, Soul Food (Klon Klone), the Orange Getaway Driver, DOD Looking Glass, and maybe a few other ODs with my Orange.

None of them sound as good as a plain old clean boost. The muddiness is the OD's clipping not meshing well with the amp's clipping. Amazingly for some reason you can get the Hard clipping of a Fuzz to work just fine along with the Amp's clipping, but to my ears the ODs don't work.

The boost/EQ idea is great. I haven't tried the MXR one but I've tried the Boss one and the Orange Two Stroke, the Orange is far and away better than the Boss... it's dead silent and the parametric EQ works incredibly well.

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Re: Boost a dirty channel: "Proper" clean boost or OD

Post by adkguy07 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:53 am

beninma wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:36 pm
I am completely in the "Proper Clean Boost" camp.

I've tried the OCD, Soul Food (Klon Klone), the Orange Getaway Driver, DOD Looking Glass, and maybe a few other ODs with my Orange.

None of them sound as good as a plain old clean boost. The muddiness is the OD's clipping not meshing well with the amp's clipping. Amazingly for some reason you can get the Hard clipping of a Fuzz to work just fine along with the Amp's clipping, but to my ears the ODs don't work.

The boost/EQ idea is great. I haven't tried the MXR one but I've tried the Boss one and the Orange Two Stroke, the Orange is far and away better than the Boss... it's dead silent and the parametric EQ works incredibly well.
I think my search and puzzlement has been educational for me, but my solution to adding a faux “2nd. channel” to my Dark Terror has been sitting in a box in the closet. It's a Danelectro “Fish n'
Chips” six-band e.q. I made sure it worked upon its delivery and shortly thereafter put it away.
I did not own an Orange amp when I bought it, at the time.

I was of a mind to not coverup the sound of the Dark Terror because I just plain like the gain tones I
hear from with a Les Paul, but there are times where I want just a slight change of tone without
covering that base tone up. I think boosts and overdrives sometimes don’t actually do what the advertising describes.....at least judging by some of the reviews I read from users of clean boosts and such.


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Re: Boost a dirty channel: "Proper" clean boost or OD

Post by satchmodog » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:21 pm

I use my OCD, 808, blues driver, compressor and a few other pedals exclusively as a boost. Keep the gain shut down or nearly shut down and you get wonderful results. I have the soul preacher compressor and it also works great in that capacity. Got it used on reverb for lime 40 dollars, too.

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Re: Boost a dirty channel: "Proper" clean boost or OD

Post by pedecamp » Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:59 pm

I like a Boss SD-1 as a clean boost in mine, I dial the tone knob all the way up to brighten the overall tone too.
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Re: Boost a dirty channel: "Proper" clean boost or OD

Post by Sootio » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:33 pm

Your basic clean boost works well. Tubescreamer like mid range humps work well. A good fuzz that cleans up with the guitar volume also works pretty well. The problem is that the amps sound better than most pedals.

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Re: Boost a dirty channel: "Proper" clean boost or OD

Post by pedecamp » Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:27 pm

Sootio wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:33 pm
The problem is that the amps sound better than most pedals.
Not this amp, I wouldn't play it without the pedal.
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