Again, OR50 vs CS50 vs DT50

[PBA]

Have you thought about just getting a second OR15 and running each into its own 4x12?

[Joebot888]

Have you thought about just getting a second OR15 and running each into its own 4x12?

Would that be louder than one OR15 into two cabs?

That's something I don't understand, really, is distribution of wattage over multiple speaker cabs.

Cuz I'll totally do that if it will be.

[PBA]

Have you thought about just getting a second OR15 and running each into its own 4x12?

Would that be louder than one OR15 into two cabs?

That's something I don't understand, really, is distribution of wattage over multiple speaker cabs.

Cuz I'll totally do that if it will be.

Yes it would be louder. I don't know if it would be as loud or louder than a 30W amp but I suspect it would be in a similar range.

[Dark Helmet]

I am not a fan of the OR15 into a 412... I don't think it has the balls to really keep everything tight, I thought it was soggy/mushy.

when I had it running into a 212 (actually just one half of a stereo 412, but samesies...) it was WAY more responsive and the articulation came back.


I have several of the other amps being discussed here and I will make a couple of notes...

1) the AD30 is LOUD.... waaaaaaay louder than you ever expect. but the MVs are pretty good and it still sounds nice at rational volumes (probably the best orange I've played when it comes to that, despite its reputation for being very compressed). I LOVE an AD30 into a 412... stupidly I sold my head for a new Firebird... but w/e, I still have the combo.

2) The OR15 absolutely has more gain on tap than the AD30, but I think it sounds best in a range that the AD30 can actually reach if you drive the power-section... and the OB combo will NOT do that, IMO, you need a CB cab.

3) the other amp that was tossed around as similar in this space is the OG Rocker30... and Channel A on a TV50 is actually pretty darn similar... definitely worth a look as well, and the built in attenuator makes it mega-flexible. if the EL84s are what you like about the OR15, ignore this point, however.

4) get out and play these puppies... that's the only way you'll find out what WORKS...

[Joebot888]

I am not a fan of the OR15 into a 412... I don't think it has the balls to really keep everything tight, I thought it was soggy/mushy.

when I had it running into a 212 (actually just one half of a stereo 412, but samesies...) it was WAY more responsive and the articulation came back.


I have several of the other amps being discussed here and I will make a couple of notes...

1) the AD30 is LOUD.... waaaaaaay louder than you ever expect. but the MVs are pretty good and it still sounds nice at rational volumes (probably the best orange I've played when it comes to that, despite its reputation for being very compressed). I LOVE an AD30 into a 412... stupidly I sold my head for a new Firebird... but w/e, I still have the combo.

2) The OR15 absolutely has more gain on tap than the AD30, but I think it sounds best in a range that the AD30 can actually reach if you drive the power-section... and the OB combo will NOT do that, IMO, you need a CB cab.

3) the other amp that was tossed around as similar in this space is the OG Rocker30... and Channel A on a TV50 is actually pretty darn similar... definitely worth a look as well, and the built in attenuator makes it mega-flexible. if the EL84s are what you like about the OR15, ignore this point, however.

4) get out and play these puppies... that's the only way you'll find out what WORKS...

I had a Rocker 30. I didn't like it. Too modern sounding.

The OR15 sounds great through 2 412s, which is how I use it. I'm not playing super tight metal. So I'm looking for something that sounds as much like the 15 as possible.

[Les Paul Lover]

If you play your OR15 through 2 PPC412..... I'm seriously thinking you might sound louder through a single PPC412 or PPC212. Seriously!

At the moment, your head is plotting it's 2attage between the 2 cabs. Say it's putting out 20w as slightly overdriven. You get 10w per cab. Each speaker gets an equal 2.5w share of the amp power.


Same settings with a single PPC412 - 5w per speaker. Same settings with a PPC212, 10w per speaker.

My guess is that your get the best result in terms of volume with one single PPC412 or PPC212.

That may still not be enough for your situation, mind you, but worth a shot!!!

[langmurf]

What about something like the Freyette Power Station? You get to keep your OR15 tone at louder volumes...

Just a thought...

[fiveightandten]

What about something like the Freyette Power Station? You get to keep your OR15 tone at louder volumes...

Just a thought...

This is a good suggestion. I have a Power Station V2, and it’s utterly fantastic. Though I’ll just mention one limitation of it.

The PS is a 50W amp, and like any 50W amp it does have a finite amount of power and headroom. I’ve AB’d the Power Station with 50W amps at unity volume (the amp running up full, and AB’ing the PS between its tone at unity volume, and the bypassed amp signal). At 50W, it starts to run out of headroom and compress a bit (read: change the tone).

I’d expect that it would be enough power for him, and might actually be the perfect tool for the job. But if you’re playing loud, it’s an expensive mistake to make if it doesn’t fit the bill. It’s still very flexible. But if you play at 50W amp levels, you’re best off just cranking a 50W amp, IMO.

I use mine at roughly cranked 15W amp volumes and it’s literally the best piece of gear I’ve ever bought, as I can use any of my amps at the volumes I need to maintain on stage. I suspect the OP needs about 30W of Power, and thus well within the PS capabilities.

[Jondog]

I'm kind of surprised you think the Rocker 30 sounds modern . It's known here as a more vintage sounding amp in the modern Oranges only with lots of gain. I think the trick with it is to keep the gain backed off.

[Joebot888]

Hm.

Well, I'm about to test a TH30 vs an AD30 at practice. The winner of this round faces an OR50 for this weekend. The losers get returned. If they all get returned, I'll probably just get another OR15! Run 'em in stereo... or maybe an Phaez AFD!

[Joebot888]

Well, I tried both the AD30 and the TH30 at rehearsal last night, and first of all, it was amazing with EITHER amp how much better we sounded all around with the extra wattage. Bass player has brought along a 215 (in lieu of the 410s he'd been using) and synth player was able to turn up... everything was bigger and more lively. So that was great.

(Lest you get The wrong idea, this band is no stranger to volume... I used to run 2 100 watt half stacks, and over the years we've gradually scaled back in deference to our singer. She genuinely sings better when she can hear herself, and she SINGS, so... that's how I ended up with an OR15.)

The AD30 trounced the TH30, which sounded brittle and invisible until I cranked the shape knob to the right. Probably a great amp, but not the right amp for this band.

I was worried about the AD30 being too clean, but with the fuzz and overdrive boxes I use, it was cool. That's a healthy sounding amp. Classic British crunch, as they say. Very nice. And i could hear myself!

This gives me even higher hopes for the OR50, which I will have a chance to try this weekend. If it proves too loud to sound good, I think I may land on a CS50.

[fiveightandten]

Nice! Keep us updated!

How high were you running the master volumes on the 30W amps?

[Joebot888]

Nice! Keep us updated!

How high were you running the master volumes on the 30W amps?

I kept moving em around. I wound up the TH30 almost all the way, on full power, with the gain just past noon. It was too quiet at half power, and the shape knob in the middle made the guitar just disappear. But turning the shape to about 3 o'clock made it cut. I could see if you wanted a pile of poop ton of gain, the TH would be a winner.

On the AD30 I ended up with the gain almost maxed, but the master about halfway. And I have a Jext Telez Uni Drive, and some orange two knob Fuzz/distortion, which I don't recall the name of... I used those a bit.

It's an impressively healthy sounding amp tho. I had to use the grit boxes less than I expected. And it never sounded thin or brittle. Strong as hell.

[Les Paul Lover]

The AD30 is a great amp.

I had one for a short while, it's great. I only sold it because I also have an Orange AD15 - not quite as fantastic sounding as the AD30, but pretty close.

Since I also have a RV50, I valued the lower wattage option.

All that to say..... the AD30 is a great great amp.

[fiveightandten]

I kept moving em around. I wound up the TH30 almost all the way, on full power, with the gain just past noon. It was too quiet at half power, and the shape knob in the middle made the guitar just disappear. But turning the shape to about 3 o'clock made it cut. I could see if you wanted a pile of poop ton of gain, the TH would be a winner.

On the AD30 I ended up with the gain almost maxed, but the master about halfway. And I have a Jext Telez Uni Drive, and some orange two knob Fuzz/distortion, which I don't recall the name of... I used those a bit.

It's an impressively healthy sounding amp tho. I had to use the grit boxes less than I expected. And it never sounded thin or brittle. Strong as hell.

Nice. If you have another go at the AD30, try getting the master as high as you can, and dial in the gain from there. It's a loud amp, but the EL-84's start to break up early...this is when the amp sounds best, IMO. Channel 1 has a lot of bass. I find the amp cuts a lot better if the bass is rolled off to about 4 or so with hum buckers (I run mine even lower, around 3 for a tighter crunch).

Channel 2 bass can be around 5 or 6. Pumping the mid knob up helps on both channels. This is an FMV tone circuit, so you can get the mid knob quite high before it's really doing all that much.

I haven't played a TH30 in a band setting, so I can't comment on that. Good luck with the OR-50. It sounds like you'll be able to find something that does the job.

-Nick