Anyone manage to get more "saggy" tone out of their modern Orange amps?

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Anyone manage to get more "saggy" tone out of their modern Orange amps?

Post by Tisca » Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:55 am

Sag, looser sound like vintage Oranges and Matamp. My OR100 is too tight sounding for what I currently want. Any pedals, mods or tricks that could get me there? Otherwise I'll just buy a Matamp (GT1 or GT120MV).
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Re: Anyone manage to get more "saggy" tone out of their modern Orange amps?

Post by Les Paul Lover » Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:04 pm

You really need a valve rectifier.

Have you tried an AD30?
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Re: Anyone manage to get more "saggy" tone out of their modern Orange amps?

Post by bclaire » Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:42 pm

Yeah, I was going to say AD30TC, too....

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Re: Anyone manage to get more "saggy" tone out of their modern Orange amps?

Post by Tisca » Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:52 pm

Les Paul Lover wrote:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:04 pm
You really need a valve rectifier.
So we're talking a about a mod or addition to the circuit that regulates the voltage?
Les Paul Lover wrote:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:04 pm
Have you tried an AD30?
Nope. Never heard that kinda sound from an AD30.
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Re: Anyone manage to get more "saggy" tone out of their modern Orange amps?

Post by jockeapa » Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:03 pm

Bump on AD30 suggestions.
The saggy king in the Orangefamily! :D

Another option might be to try a compressor in front of your OR100?
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Re: Anyone manage to get more "saggy" tone out of their modern Orange amps?

Post by Jondog » Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:16 pm

You can add a 10 watt resistor roughly 200-300 ohms between the rectifier and first filter capacitor in the power supply to simulate a valve rectifier. Higher the resistance, more sag.
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Re: Anyone manage to get more "saggy" tone out of their modern Orange amps?

Post by Tisca » Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:49 pm

jockeapa wrote:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:03 pm
Bump on AD30 suggestions.
The saggy king in the Orangefamily! :D

Another option might be to try a compressor in front of your OR100?
I don't see how that would do it. What kinda settings on the comp?

Jondog wrote:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:16 pm
You can add a 10 watt resistor roughly 200-300 ohms between the rectifier and first filter capacitor in the power supply to simulate a valve rectifier. Higher the resistance, more sag.
Interesting, I'll look into this.
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Re: Anyone manage to get more "saggy" tone out of their modern Orange amps?

Post by Jondog » Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:31 pm

Tisca wrote:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:49 pm
jockeapa wrote:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:03 pm
Bump on AD30 suggestions.
The saggy king in the Orangefamily! :D

Another option might be to try a compressor in front of your OR100?
I don't see how that would do it. What kinda settings on the comp?

Jondog wrote:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:16 pm
You can add a 10 watt resistor roughly 200-300 ohms between the rectifier and first filter capacitor in the power supply to simulate a valve rectifier. Higher the resistance, more sag.
Interesting, I'll look into this.
It can be put on a switch too. Watts Tube audio sells a kit I think.

https://tubeamplifierparts.com/amp-kits ... ry=3023561
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Re: Anyone manage to get more "saggy" tone out of their modern Orange amps?

Post by Mystic38 » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:32 pm

any compressor with a control of the attack should mimic some of the sag effect.. The attack essentially allows control of the rise time of the transients..
Tisca wrote:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:49 pm
jockeapa wrote:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:03 pm
Bump on AD30 suggestions.
The saggy king in the Orangefamily! :D

Another option might be to try a compressor in front of your OR100?
I don't see how that would do it. What kinda settings on the comp?

Jondog wrote:
Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:16 pm
You can add a 10 watt resistor roughly 200-300 ohms between the rectifier and first filter capacitor in the power supply to simulate a valve rectifier. Higher the resistance, more sag.
Interesting, I'll look into this.
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Re: Anyone manage to get more "saggy" tone out of their modern Orange amps?

Post by liaztraht » Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:00 am

I doubt it will translate to your amp, but my CR120h gets saggy as heck with the bass turned up a bit and the gain set up higher. Muffles the pick attack quite a bit.
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Re: Anyone manage to get more "saggy" tone out of their modern Orange amps?

Post by misterfolkertsma » Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:26 pm

Some overdrive pedals have Sag control, you might want to look into that. I'm using the Fairfield Circuitry Barbershop, works great for me.

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