how to hook up ext orange speaker cab

[email protected] · Post by **[email protected]** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 6:40 pm

I just bought a orange rocker 30-1-12 combo and love it very much.. It is the best amp I EVER HAD!!
I notice that the internal speaker looks hard wired into the amp and has 3 seperate ext.speaker outs. The wired spk is a 16 ohm and the 3 ext out are 8-8-16. I,m planning on buying the new 1x12 matching Orange cab with a 16 ohm load. Does that go in the 16ohm ext or what do I need to do??
Please help me on this.
Thank you very much!!!!!!
Billy......

Andy H. · Post by **Andy H.** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:13 pm

Hi Billy. Congratulations - I think you are the first Rocker 30 owner we've hear from on the forum! Great to hear you like it. (I'm pretty keen to try the amp myself).
As to your question, it seems a little strange to me that the internal speaker would be hard wired. That would limit your options. Short answer is I don't know. But here's a man who should be able to find out for you. Try Emailing:
[email protected]
and let us know what you find out.
Can I ask how you are finding both channels on the amp. What sort of guitar(s) are you using, and how well does the voicing of the 'natural' channel especially work with it/them?
Andy.

[email protected] · Post by **[email protected]** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:17 pm

The serial number I think is ooo-19. I'm at work and don't have the amp near by...

[email protected] · Post by **[email protected]** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:18 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
Hi Billy. Congratulations - I think you are the first Rocker 30 owner we've hear from on the forum! Great to hear you like it. (I'm pretty keen to try the amp myself).
As to your question, it seems a little strange to me that the internal speaker would be hard wired. That would limit your options. Short answer is I don't know. But here's a man who should be able to find out for you. Try Emailing:
[email protected]
and let us know what you find out.
Can I ask how you are finding both channels on the amp. What sort of guitar(s) are you using, and how well does the voicing of the 'natural' channel especially work with it/them?
Andy.

<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Post by **bclaire** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 4:05 am

Doubt it is hard wired. Look closely... You can use an extension cab with the amp- it would have to be a 16 ohm cabinet and you would plug both internal speaker and external cab into the two 8 ohm outputs. There is a FAQ now on the website that I would recommend that you read thouroughly since A) Orange doesn't have a manual and B) it will answer all of your questions.

Billy

Humbucker Jake · Post by **Humbucker Jake** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 12:27 am

Our Rocker 30 that's on our floor is SN: 0019-03-04

It has a 16ohm V30 plugged into the 16ohm speaker output.

Strange... If the extension cab is 16 ohms, then that will get a bit confusing for many people.

Jake Langston
Humbucker Music
www.humbuckermusic.com
Georgia, USA

Andy H. · Post by **Andy H.** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 12:39 am

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Our Rocker 30 that's on our floor is SN: 0019-03-04
It has a 16ohm V30 plugged into the 16ohm speaker output.
Strange... If the extension cab is 16 ohms, then that will get a bit confusing for many people.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>Why is that strange Jake? If using a 16 ohm extension cab then both it and the internal speaker would then be plugged into the two 8 ohm outputs. That's normal enough, isn't it?

Andy.

Humbucker Jake · Post by **Humbucker Jake** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 4:50 am

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Why is that strange Jake? If using a 16 ohm extension cab then both it and the internal speaker would then be plugged into the two 8 ohm outputs. That's normal enough, isn't it?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Well, of course it is, technically. Try explaining to everyone with a setup like this why he/she has to plug clearly marked 16 ohm speakers into the 8 ohm jacks. Then explain why you can't have the internal speaker plugged into the 16 ohm jack while having an 8 ohm 4x12 plugged into the 8 ohm.

As long as Orange includes a clearly defined manual with the cab (no manual came with the Rocker 30), it shouldn't be a problem. While you, me, and most others on this forum may understand, most out there don't. Trust me...

Jake Langston
Humbucker Music
www.humbuckermusic.com
Georgia, USA

Andy H. · Post by **Andy H.** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 12:11 pm

Yes, that's a good point. And similar queries do come up here often. All we can do I guess is to make sure that people are informed of the correct manner to connect up speakers, and to hope that Orange will soon be supplying manuals will all gear, amps and cabs...
Have you ever seen any clearer connection instructions on other makes of amps, and if so how were they worded I wonder?

Andy.

Andy H. · Post by **Andy H.** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 6:14 pm

Ah yes, Sooner. The exceptions that prove the rule, Like Fenders and Boogies... <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

My M/B Subway Reverb Rocket combo manual states:

"Sensitivity to SPEAKER mismatching in regards to ohmage differences is low, hence no damage to the amplifier will occur. However, very low ohmage loads will cause the power tubes to wear faster. The SUBWAY ROCKET is equipped with a single 10 inch 8 ohm speaker, but as you can see other speaker confiurations may be used.
When using two 8 ohm SPEAKERS, connect each of them to the 4 ohm SPEAKER jacks that are provided, this will equal a 4 ohm load which is the proper impedance required when using this particular SPEAKER configuration."

PLEASE NOTE FOLKS. The above does NOT apply to Orange amps. No way JosÃƒÂ©!

Andy.

sambulance · Post by **sambulance** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 3:57 pm

i dimly remember all this from electronics gcse, but just to clarify, two 16ohm cabs would be an 8ohm load and therefore you plug one each in to the 8ohm sockets?

so with orange amps you can only use one 8ohm cabinet or two 16ohm cabinets? or have i got that completely wrong?

without wanting to open another kettle of fish, how does the serial/parallel issue relate to this? could you rewire a cabinet to change its load?

Andy H. · Post by **Andy H.** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:05 pm

Hi sambulance.
You've got it right enough. Two 16 ohms in parallel gives 8 ohms, and you'd connect both cabs to the 8 ohms outputs.
And you're right about the cabinet choices.
You can indeed rewire cabs to change the load, but you will be restricted in what you can do. With 4 x 16 ohm drivers for example you can get 16 or 4 ohms total.

Check this out. It came up here recently and is pretty handy for calculating impedances:
http://www.colomar.com/Shavano/impedance_info.html

Hope that helps.

Andy.

sambulance · Post by **sambulance** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 12:32 pm

thanks andy, ive been using combos (often two at a time) all my life so im kind of new to all this cabinet business.

im kind of guessing that an amp head will sound best with a cabinet made by the same company? having said that, i have seen a number of people play other amps thru orange cabs etc... my local guitar shop isnt particularly friendly and i cant really go in and try out all the different cabinets with my rig, is there really a big difference in the sound?

Andy H. · Post by **Andy H.** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 1:34 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>im kind of guessing that an amp head will sound best with a cabinet made by the same company? having said that, i have seen a number of people play other amps thru orange cabs etc... my local guitar shop isnt particularly friendly and i cant really go in and try out all the different cabinets with my rig, is there really a big difference in the sound?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>Oh yes, there certainly can be. Check the weight of an Orange cab compared to anything else you find. The sound quality from them is equally as impressive as the build quality... <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

Andy.

how to hook up ext orange speaker cab

Who is online