4x12AD signature Cab.

Quadbox · Post by **Quadbox** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:15 am

Gi'day, I recently bought an Orange 4x12AD slant front cab and it kicks ass in the sound department but I'm wondering what others think of the idea of swapping 2 of the vintage 30 speakers for 2 greenbacks. A friend of mine gave me 2 old greenbacks from a marshall cab and I was thining of swapping them in an X configeration. What will this do for the tone?? I do sometimes find vintage 30's to be a little harsh in the upper midrange area and would like a slightly warmer sound, is this going to do it for me? Will I like it or will I hate it?? Any comments or advice greatly aprieciated.

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Post by **bclaire** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:11 pm

I don't think you'll hear them. The V30's are more efficient and louder than the greenbacks. It'll probably just drop the volume of the cab and all you'll hear are the two V30's...

Billy

Quadbox · Post by **Quadbox** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:30 am

Thanks Billy sounds like this one won't be a winner! I have heard of people swapping 2 of the classic 30's and mixing the speakers, but they must be using something else. Any suggestions?

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Tibor · Post by **Tibor** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 10:53 am

i know that a lot of people mix V30s and GT75s....or G12H30 and greenbacks...because they have an nearly equal (wattage) loudness...

at least bogner, do mix the speakers in their cabs...

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justin · Post by **justin** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:49 pm

I believe a popular combo is Vintage 30's + G12H30's. Even though the V30's can handle 60 watts and the G12H30's handle 30 watts, their sensitivities are the same (100dB), so they will be pretty equal volume-wise. This is something I would love to try, but I'm pretty happy with 4 V30's.

Quadbox · Post by **Quadbox** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 1:40 am

I just read a review in Guitarist magazine of the badcat Hotcat and they said it has 1 greenback and 1 V30, also, same deal with the Framus Ruby Riot. They also said the combination sounds fantastic! I'm worried about this sensitivity issue though because I know that a 3db sensitivity difference in speakers can mean half the percieved loudness of the speaker in real terms.
It is often said that the AD30 is a loud amp, and it is, but I believe it is loud because of the V30 speakers used in Orange cabs and combos. Because the combination is so loud, 30 watts is more than enough to handle the gigs I do. What I don't want is to gain a small improvement in tone at the expense of a huge loss in volume.
I have already changed the valve in position on of the clean channel to a 12au7 instead of the 12AX7 and gained a huge improvement in clean headroom so I don't want to loose that advantage by choosing the wrong speaker. Any thoughts??

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Post by **bclaire** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 12:50 pm

Well, in thinking about it, if stage volume isn't the concern, you WILL have an opportunity to selcet two different sounds when micing the amp both for studio and live as long as you close mic... it could be very cool...

Billy

orangewhat · Post by **orangewhat** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:07 am

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i always wondered what those slant cab's look like.got any pic's?

Quadbox · Post by **Quadbox** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 7:38 am

Yes I do have photo's, but I can't figure out how to post them!!
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Meole · Post by **Meole** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 1:19 pm

spoonie g · Post by **spoonie g** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:27 pm

one thing to realize, which won't be a big deal with an ad30, is that if you mix 25-watt greenbacks with higher wattage speakers, your overall wattage will drop to 100-watts, so just be careful if you use a higher-wattage amp.

spoonie g · Post by **spoonie g** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:33 pm

also, I just read your concerns regarding volume, and you will experience a volume drop if you trade two v-30's for greenbacks, as there is a 3db difference in the relative sensitivity of these speakers. Whether this is negligible is up to you, and the only way to know is to do it and try. I've done it before, and here are my observations: Clear differences in output and high-end response. The Greenback is a much creamier and "vintage" sounding speaker, sacrificing a bit of bass and volume. I eventually traded out the greenback for a 75-watt celestion on bottom, but that is because the amp I had at the time was a tad bass-shy, but I would take back the combo anytime; it is a good match up.

Quadbox · Post by **Quadbox** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:42 am

Hey Spoonie, thanks for the advice, with easter weekend just around the corner, I think I might just change them over and give it a go, sounds like it might be worth a try. Is an "X" pattern the best way to set them up or both on top, both on bottom, side by side...theres so many options!!
Hey Meole, thanks for posting that picture of my rig, I'd love to know how you did it...your a smarter man than me!!

I love all things orange and all orange things!

spoonie g · Post by **spoonie g** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:50 pm

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Hey Spoonie, thanks for the advice, with easter weekend just around the corner, I think I might just change them over and give it a go, sounds like it might be worth a try. Is an "X" pattern the best way to set them up or both on top, both on bottom, side by side...theres so many options!!
Hey Meole, thanks for posting that picture of my rig, I'd love to know how you did it...your a smarter man than me!!

I love all things orange and all orange things!
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I put the greenbacks on top and V-30's on bottom, as the V-30's have a batter bass response and the greenbacks a softer high-end (easier on the ears). Due to the sensitivity differences, I would tend to think an X-pattern might sound a bit unbalanced, but I guess it might be worth a try.

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