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El84 in Orange AD30

Post by Gogo » Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:00 am

Hi,
someone tell me what tubes el84 are in now Orange ad30 htc? (stock tubes on start)
Maybe some photo, please.

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Re: El84 in Orange AD30

Post by Les Paul Lover » Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:50 am

I believe Orange have been using JJ EL84 for stock amps.
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Re: El84 in Orange AD30

Post by Gogo » Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:33 am

Are you sure?

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Re: El84 in Orange AD30

Post by Les Paul Lover » Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:37 am

Gogo wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:33 am
Are you sure?
Nope. Orange have stated they use whichever valves the think is best at whichever particular point in time.

They have been using JJ EL84 for all their amps for a while, but could cyange that any time if they had reliability issues in the future.

Why do you need to know? (Not that curiosity is a bad thing! :) ), I'm just wondering if you have an underlying question we can help you with.
Ant

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Past Orange: Orange AD30TC Combo, Tiny Terror

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Re: El84 in Orange AD30

Post by Gogo » Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:18 pm

I'm looking for best el84,
I checked tad and sovtek and are no good. jj has bad reviews.

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Re: El84 in Orange AD30

Post by Les Paul Lover » Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:43 pm

They all get good and bad reviews theae days.

Everyone complain the new production valves aren't as good, reliable....

For what it's worth, I've had TAD, JJ, Sovtek (Not from new, and they took quite a punishment in the amp I bought with them in), I would be happy with any of them.

I use Russian NOS 6P14P EV valves instead of the usual EL84 these days though. They sound great, and supposedly should last 10 times longer than regular modern EL84, but I can't vouch for that yet.
Ant

Orange Gear: RV50 MKI, R30, AD15, AD5, PPC212
Past Orange: Orange AD30TC Combo, Tiny Terror

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Re: El84 in Orange AD30

Post by northernguitarguy » Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:31 pm

+1 for the Soviet 6P14P-EV tubes. Clearest, cleanest sounding EL84 I've tried in my amps. That said, there's nothing wrong with JJ's, they usually come stock in Orange amps (or at least so I've heard. They came with my Rocker 15 Terror and a Tiny Terror that I sold). Really nothing wrong with EHX, TungSol, or any of the current brands. I had a bad experience with Sovtek EL84M tubes, but not the regular Sovteks.

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Re: El84 in Orange AD30

Post by Gogo » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:17 pm

what do you say about 6p14p?
What is difference between tubes?
I'm asking because I have a problem with availability 6p14p-ev or ew .........

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Re: El84 in Orange AD30

Post by Les Paul Lover » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:44 pm

Gogo wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:17 pm
what do you say about 6p14p?
What is difference between tubes?
I'm asking because I have a problem with availability 6p14p-ev or ew .........
The 6P14P EV was a Russian manufactured valve equivalent to the EL84. The EV suffix is important as it means the valves were built to a military standard and expected to last over 5000h.

They are overspec'd EL84, can take strong plate voltage, and sound superb.

Manufacture stopped in the 80s, and your main source for them is eBay. If you are uncomfortable buying from dealers without established reputation, don't buy any. Some well known internet dealer can supply them too, tested, at an extra cost.

I bought around 20 of them in total as matched quartets, from 3 different eBay dealers, and had to send 1 quartet back as they were obviously well used - I made that dealer pay for the return shipping as they lied about the condition of the valves. All others were new and sound fantastic.
Ant

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Re: El84 in Orange AD30

Post by northernguitarguy » Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:34 am

Gogo wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:17 pm
what do you say about 6p14p?
What is difference between tubes?
I'm asking because I have a problem with availability 6p14p-ev or ew .........
Copy this:

6p14p-ev matched quad NOS

Go to ebay and paste and search. You should get a number of hits. Or you could try www.thetubestore.com. They sell them as their 'Preferred Series 7189' tubes....but at a significant markup.

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Re: El84 in Orange AD30

Post by Gogo » Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:26 pm

thanks

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