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Name That Effect

Post by groundmeat » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:02 pm

Remember Jeff Healey? I certainly do. Not many people talk about him, but he was one of my favorites. He's part of the reason why the movie Road House was one of the best movies ever made (yes, I'm one of THOSE people, lol).

So I was watching this old video of Jeff Healey from back in 1991 I guess, and starting at the 2:55 mark, he begins using what sounds to me like some kind of octave or octave-fuzz combo effect along with his wah pedal.

(effect in question starts at about 2:55)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6S7_vRVPUU

At one point, the video shows the front part of his pedal array, and most of them look like various DOD pedals from around that time ('91) as well as a Boss compressor (I think). I'm not hung up about getting the EXACT SAME make and model of effect, but I do want it to sound exactly like that.

I've also heard a similar effect used by Joe Satriani in the song "Cool #9" on his 1995 self titled album. (From about 2:45 mark on)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2fExyjlG7Q

I haven't looked extensively for this kind of effect yet, but I've looked at a couple of things before, and this is just to narrow things down and cross things off the list.

MXR Blue Box - NOPE. Don't like that effect AT ALL. It makes your guitar sound like an Atari game. Ew. Not fer me.

EHX Octavix - Wasn't impressed with that one either.

Fulltone Octafuzz - I really like this effect as the fuzz isn't so overpowered and heavy metal sounding, and I will probably purchase one at some point, but I'm not sure if it's exactly what I'm looking for to get this specific sound.

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Re: Name That Effect

Post by Phlowen » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:14 pm

groundmeat wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:02 pm
MXR Blue Box - NOPE. Don't like that effect AT ALL. It makes your guitar sound like an Atari game. Ew. Not fer me.
The Blue Box certainly isn't for everyone, but in certain (usually pretty specific applications), man...that thing SINGS. If you get the balance set right, it can be a little extra sauce on a solo. MMMMMM MMMM! I love it.

Sorry, off topic a bit...

To your question: the Blue Box is certainly glitchier than what you're looking for, but from the first clip, it sounds like your average octave fuzz pedal.

Maybe I haven't used enough of them to hear what you're hearing but this is how they've all sounded to me (more or less).
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Re: Name That Effect

Post by Jondog » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:47 pm

DOD Octoplus
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Re: Name That Effect

Post by groundmeat » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:34 pm

Jondog wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:47 pm
DOD Octoplus
Perhaps you saw the short glimpse of his pedals that happens at 6:38. Took a screenshot of it. Perhaps you are right.

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Did some hunting online. They typically go for around 70 bucks, but Guitar Center doesn't have one anywhere at the moment. From what I've learned about it online, it appears to be just a single octave down pedal, no fuzz. Whatever I end up buying, I would PREFER an octave effect like that, WITHOUT fuzz so that I can pair it with whatever fuzz pedal I want.

From what I've heard in review/demo videos I've watched of several different octave-fuzz pedals, many of them sound bad to me. In terms of digital audio, it's like some of them have piss-poor "sampling rates" (even though they may be analog) and the octave effect just sounds stuttered, cheap, and crappy. Others have fuzz that is so overpowering, they might sound similar to something like one of those really really awful DOD fx86 Death Metal pedals. Most of them, it's a combination of those two qualities. I'm "weird" about my fuzz. I like it on lower settings to where it produces more of a "muted buzz" and behaves somewhat dynamically like overdrive. Perhaps that's counterintuitive to the entire point of the fuzz effect, ...but that's me.

Anyway, as I initially suspected, it appears like I'm looking for an octave pedal. Any recommendations on one with a good (and I stress this part) NATURAL sounding octave to it?

I've already seen a video for the Boss OC-3 Super Octave today. I don't think that one's gonna work. Like I said, it doesn't sound very natural. Then again, sometimes just individual videos are bad.

Boss OC3 super octave - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwgzB6rosus

EHX has a Pitchfork pedal and a few iterations of the POG effect. I've seen a pic of Satriani's board from lately, and he had a Micro POG on there. Anybody got any experience with those? Differences between them, etc?

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Re: Name That Effect

Post by Jondog » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:46 pm

I had the POG2 (micro pog bigger brother) and its incredible, but its precise where some of those older octave pedals are not which makes part if the sound. What I’ve read the DOD Octoplus is loosely based on the Boss OC-2 octave pedal. Jeff was endorsed by DOD.
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Re: Name That Effect

Post by groundmeat » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:22 am

Jondog wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:46 pm
What I’ve read the DOD Octoplus is loosely based on the Boss OC-2 octave pedal. Jeff was endorsed by DOD.
I read the same thing on the old DOD archive site, AmericasPedal.net. It also has this comment:

" Like all octave dividers, the FX35 cannot track chords very well (although root-fifth power chords can sound okay, at least until one note starts to warble out), but tracking can be enhanced by using your neck pickup and/or adding a boost or compression pedal before the FX35."

So that would explain the peculiar placement of the Boss compressor just before it. Most people put them much earlier in the chain.

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Re: Name That Effect

Post by groundmeat » Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:44 am

I looked around a little bit for a DOD Fx35 Octoplus and wasn't able to find one. I did end up buying an EHX Pitchfork around September or October of last year. It doesn't really get the sound I'm looking for. The octave effect on the pitchfork is somewhat delayed by whatever sampling process it does, and the pitch shifted notes are degraded in overall sound quality too. At 175 bucks new, it was quite a pricey pedal for something that I ended up having little to no use for. *sigh*

And after doing a little looking, I'm gonna disagree that what is shown in the video I posted was a DOD FX35 Octoplus. I'm more inclined to think it's a DOD FX90 Delay. If you notice in the picture, the name of the pedal just above the DOD logo only goes to about halfway across the pedal to end under the 2nd knob, like it appears on a FX90 Delay. Whereas the "Octoplus" logo extends to under the 3rd knob, which isn't happening in that screenshot.

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They have a DOD Fx35 listed on the guitar center site for about 50 bucks, and I'm tempted to order it, but I'm kinda trying to save up my gift cards for a hardwired mid-90's EHX Electric Mistress flanger once I have enough to cover it and once they get one in decent shape in somewhere. I do all my pedal shopping through guitar center (unfortunately, kinda) because I do online marketing surveys about all kinds of things and the points I get from it I redeem for guitar center gift cards.

I'm thinkin since Joe Satriani also sometimes uses such a sound, perhaps his pedalboards would offer hints, and really the only octave pedal I've ever seen on his boards was the EHX micro-pog. So perhaps I'll give one of those a test drive next time I see one somewhere.

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Re: Name That Effect

Post by Jondog » Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:02 pm

Another option is the EHX Frequency Analyzer.
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Re: Name That Effect

Post by bclaire » Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:26 pm

Somewhere I have a picture of Satch's pedalboard from the tour he did with Johnny A. opening... and me guitar teching. I'll look for it....

Oh wait:
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Re: Name That Effect

Post by groundmeat » Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:58 am

bclaire wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:26 pm
Satch's pedalboard
Yeah, the one I saw was a little different and had a newer model XO sized MicroPOG.

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Saw that here:
https://guitargearfinder.com/guides/the ... d-effects/


In the pic you posted, looks like it's followed by a Boss DS1 distortion and then a Boss Super Shifter. 2 pitch shifting pedals there, but with a POG of some type getting used twice, I think it's maybe more likely he's using the POG for his octave down effect, which I'm pretty sure he's used in more songs than just the one I posted. That's so frustrating though, because I could've bought either the Pitchfork OR the MicroPOG, and stupid me chose the Pitchfork without even testing the MicroPOG because I thought it was more versatile and would be just as good. It's got the ability to do a chorus-like detune effect, and it can tune to intervals, not just octaves. But it seems to have been the wrong tool for the job. It might've worked if it weren't for that really odd delayed timing to the effect.

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Re: Name That Effect

Post by bclaire » Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:27 pm

I have the tc Electronics G-System which has an octave down (or up) available. I like adding the octave down in solos at times because it really adds something different to the sound although I'm worried that extended use at solo volumes might eventually wreak my speakers....

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