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Tube/speaker swap Rocker 15 combo please help

Post by cnemitz22 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:54 am

Definitely enjoying this amp!!! The clean is great! The fx loop works very well!! The dirty channel, I like but I have to dial a ton to get that fizziness out..

Was thinking of changing tubes..

Anyone on here have any experience with the Rocker 15 1x10 combo and tubes that help get the fizz out??

Or tubes and a different speaker?? I dunno. Just want that fizz to not be so prominent. Sounds good! Just can be a bit too fizzy. I’m a rock, classic rock, hard rock guy...

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Re: Tube/speaker swap Rocker 15 combo please help

Post by Ronnie Robinson » Sat Jan 19, 2019 6:01 am

Hi one of the Orange amps I have is a Orange 15 terror....Ive not noticed any fizzy ness with any tubes.

I have changed the tubes in mine within a month of getting it but nothing to do with any fizzyness. Popular brands used on here are JJs, Ehx , tungsol... Any of the popular brands really.

I'm wondering what volume and what pre Amo gain your using to get the fizz? Are you using little volume with loads of gain?

How worn in is the speaker? This will make a huge difference in how it sounds.

What's it sound like with volume and gain at 12 o'clock? There should be no fizz now even more so in 7 or 15 watt setting where the amps really opens up.
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Re: Tube/speaker swap Rocker 15 combo please help

Post by gazman83 » Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:49 am

Hi cnemitz22,

I had a Rocker 15 combo and noticed more fuzziness on the gain channel also, more than I expect from Orange, so I plugged it into the V30 on my AD15 combo (nicely worn in) and it smoothed the gain channel out massively, and helped the bottom end too (to my ears anyway)

I sold my Rocker combo rather than upgrade the speaker, and planned to wait for a head to come out, which it has obviously. I plan to purchase one eventually, it should be nice through my V30.

Something to consider....

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Re: Tube/speaker swap Rocker 15 combo please help

Post by Arthon » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:17 pm

Try a Greenback.

Or, buy a ppc112 and use the internal speaker with the V30. Two speakers combinaison is great.
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Re: Tube/speaker swap Rocker 15 combo please help

Post by cnemitz22 » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:54 pm

Thanks! I will most likely get a cab for it. I’m not sold on any of the 10” replacement speakers out there from a elevation eminence or wgs.
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Re: Tube/speaker swap Rocker 15 combo please help

Post by cnemitz22 » Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:22 pm

Went with a Greenback and swapped out the JJ tubes for Genelex Gold Lion el84 and Mullard 12ax7. Fuzziness gone. Individual strings are articulate, chords really ring out, dirty channel is easy to dial in as well. Amp has smoother gain now. Clean channel really woke up as well.

Using the Headroom Full 15watt settings. Sounds good at Bedroom Half 0.5 watt. No fuzziness there anymore either.
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Re: Tube/speaker swap Rocker 15 combo please help

Post by Les Paul Lover » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:28 pm

cnemitz22 wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:22 pm
Went with a Greenback and swapped out the JJ tubes for Genelex Gold Lion el84 and Mullard 12ax7. Fuzziness gone. Individual strings are articulate, chords really ring out, dirty channel is easy to dial in as well. Amp has smoother gain now. Clean channel really woke up as well.

Using the Headroom Full 15watt settings. Sounds good at Bedroom Half 0.5 watt. No fuzziness there anymore either.
So you went for a 10" green back or a 12" extension cab?
Speakers do make a massive difference for sure.

Did you do all the changes at once? If you did them step by step, it be interesting to know what did what.
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Re: Tube/speaker swap Rocker 15 combo please help

Post by Arthon » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:49 pm

I think Greenbacks pair really well with vintage voiced Orange amp.

I may tried one in my Rocker 15 and pair it with a ppc112 cab.
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Re: Tube/speaker swap Rocker 15 combo please help

Post by cnemitz22 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:54 pm

Went with the 10” Greenback.

I went ahead and just changed everything at one time. So it’s hard to say what helped and where. I did notice that the gain knob has more range. Before the tube swap, I would put it up around 3 o clock to get sizzling. Now I can dial it back to 1-2 o’clock and get the same dirt. New preamp tubes were labeled as higher gain. It sure is a hell of a lot cleaner sounding though. Both the clean and dirt channel. If that makes sense
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Re: Tube/speaker swap Rocker 15 combo please help

Post by dtox » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:11 pm

I put a green back in mine and stacked it on top of a PPC112 and it sounds great now.
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Re: Tube/speaker swap Rocker 15 combo please help

Post by Les Paul Lover » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:18 pm

cnemitz22 wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:54 pm
Went with the 10” Greenback.

I went ahead and just changed everything at one time. So it’s hard to say what helped and where. I did notice that the gain knob has more range. Before the tube swap, I would put it up around 3 o clock to get sizzling. Now I can dial it back to 1-2 o’clock and get the same dirt. New preamp tubes were labeled as higher gain. It sure is a hell of a lot cleaner sounding though. Both the clean and dirt channel. If that makes sense

Orange had their 10" speaker of choice as the Celestion G10N40, their 12" is the Celestion V30.

I believe they modelled both their voice of the world speakers after these.... in which case I can see where the sizzle miggt have come from. It's a bright and cutting speaker, and has a very strong upper mids crunch.... or sizzle. I have an Orange AD5 with the G10N40, and understand your description prior to changes quite well.

Great speaker for cleans though.
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