Why theres no Rocker 32 head

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Re: Why theres no Rocker 32 head

Post by caldurham » Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:45 am

if you REALLY wanted a head version you could do this ..... though this is a rocker 30 combo to head conversion.....
and i figure if you can do this you should be smart enough to not blow it.
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Re: Why theres no Rocker 32 head

Post by orangeadam » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:29 am

Jondog wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:34 am
caldurham wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:27 am
that is a GOOD reason to not make them. but i feel like if they scratched their heads a little they could make a fail proof way to do it. maybe something that defeats power to the amp unless something is actually plugged into both speaker outs. gotta be a simple way to do that. maybe.
I think what Ade is getting at is the amp would have to be totally redesigned.
I completely agree. Orange makes 30 watt and 50 watt heads that people can blow just as easily as what Ade is saying and so I think ultimately what Ade is getting at is that to redo THIS amp as a head he would have to completely reconfigure it.

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Re: Why theres no Rocker 32 head

Post by Dark Helmet » Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:10 pm

orangeadam wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:29 am

I completely agree. Orange makes 30 watt and 50 watt heads that people can blow just as easily as what Ade is saying and so I think ultimately what Ade is getting at is that to redo THIS amp as a head he would have to completely reconfigure it.
..... and that none of us will actually pony-up and buy one brand-new.
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Re: Why theres no Rocker 32 head

Post by Boy_Narf » Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:21 pm

Finally someone says it :)

It's all business like it or not. Would you rather sell 100,000+ lunchbox PRC amps? Or a few hundred UK amps? Like it or not, the market for these kinds of products is dying. Modelling amps will be taking over any day now, and only us dinosaurs and collectors will worry about whether there is glass inside. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Orange moves down to only 1 or 2 UK amps, and starts investing even more in analogue/modelling technologies. They, like any other successful companies, have to change with the times or else they will not survive.

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Re: Why theres no Rocker 32 head

Post by Les Paul Lover » Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:22 am

Boy_Narf wrote:
Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:21 pm
Finally someone says it :)

It's all business like it or not. Would you rather sell 100,000+ lunchbox PRC amps? Or a few hundred UK amps? Like it or not, the market for these kinds of products is dying. Modelling amps will be taking over any day now, and only us dinosaurs and collectors will worry about whether there is glass inside. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Orange moves down to only 1 or 2 UK amps, and starts investing even more in analogue/modelling technologies. They, like any other successful companies, have to change with the times or else they will not survive.

We'll have to see. The same thing was said in the 70s when the 1st transistor amps came out.

It has been really difficult for manufacturers and engineers to recreate the exact qualities of valves, and that's why we've stuck to that outdated technology really.
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Re: Why theres no Rocker 32 head

Post by Dark Helmet » Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:28 pm

Les Paul Lover wrote:
Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:22 am


It has been really difficult for manufacturers and engineers to recreate the exact qualities of valves, and that's why we've stuck to that outdated technology really.
I thought it was because we were all anoraks?
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Re: Why theres no Rocker 32 head

Post by Les Paul Lover » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:13 pm

Dark Helmet wrote:
Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:28 pm
Les Paul Lover wrote:
Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:22 am


It has been really difficult for manufacturers and engineers to recreate the exact qualities of valves, and that's why we've stuck to that outdated technology really.
I thought it was because we were all anoraks?

Only when it comes to Gibson guitars.

Amps have come long way, channel switching, midi capabilities for some, the landscape of features has evolved quite a bit since the 50s, and every body is pretty happy with that.

But if Gibson release a guitar that changes, however small the deviation, from the standards set in the 50s/60s, then the internet goes into meltdown, musician across the world unite with their pitchforks and spray manure on the city hall in protest at this tragic horrid situation.

Or was that France the last time they tried to relaxe labour laws? I sometimes get confused. Anyway.... where is my pitchfork??????
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Re: Why theres no Rocker 32 head

Post by Dark Helmet » Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:22 pm

Les Paul Lover wrote:
Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:13 pm

Only when it comes to Gibson guitars.

Amps have come long way, channel switching, midi capabilities for some, the landscape of features has evolved quite a bit since the 50s, and every body is pretty happy with that.

But if Gibson release a guitar that changes, however small the deviation, from the standards set in the 50s/60s, then the internet goes into meltdown, musician across the world unite with their pitchforks and spray manure on the city hall in protest at this tragic horrid situation.

Or was that France the last time they tried to relaxe labour laws? I sometimes get confused. Anyway.... where is my pitchfork??????
zomg, lulz....

Gibson's problem constant re-creation of the offerings and a refusal to invest in serious QC... my Classic had horrid setup from the factory, the standard was fine, but I think the shop had gone over it before they put it out.

Their line-up (LPs ESPECIALLY) is a confusing mess (although less bad than last year)....

and they DID try and sell the Firebird X.....
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Re: Why theres no Rocker 32 head

Post by bleaurgh » Sun May 13, 2018 2:35 pm

I just picked up a used Rocker 32 and here's my idea to run an extension cab. I'll replace the two speakers in the rocker 32 with two 8 ohm speakers and wire them in series to get 16 ohms. I'll plug them into the left output. Then I'll attach an Orange 1x12 16 ohm cab to the right output. That should in theory be safe and doable as long as the second cab is always plugged in right? Both outputs will be running 16 ohms.

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Re: Why theres no Rocker 32 head

Post by Les Paul Lover » Sun May 13, 2018 3:57 pm

bleaurgh wrote:
Sun May 13, 2018 2:35 pm
I just picked up a used Rocker 32 and here's my idea to run an extension cab. I'll replace the two speakers in the rocker 32 with two 8 ohm speakers and wire them in series to get 16 ohms. I'll plug them into the left output. Then I'll attach an Orange 1x12 16 ohm cab to the right output. That should in theory be safe and doable as long as the second cab is always plugged in right? Both outputs will be running 16 ohms.

In theory, that's absolutely fine.

The only thing is that if anyone unplug that 2nd cab, you'll fry the output transformer.
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Re: Why theres no Rocker 32 head

Post by Jondog » Sun May 13, 2018 5:04 pm

Yeah, just make sure both cabs are connected.
:idea: Ade said theres no head because of the need for two loads to be connected, not enough room for an internal load etc... I think, the output jacks could be wired to ground the amp input if no cab is connected to either jack. Amp wouldn’t work without two cabs connected. Problem solved?
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Re: Why theres no Rocker 32 head

Post by lunchbox » Mon May 14, 2018 4:08 am

I don’t get it.

Are the R32 outputs different than other Orange amps? Is there not a 16 ohm out on them or something?

And why not have the same concern for every other amp they make?

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Re: Why theres no Rocker 32 head

Post by Jondog » Mon May 14, 2018 5:18 am

lunchbox wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 4:08 am
I don’t get it.

Are the R32 outputs different than other Orange amps? Is there not a 16 ohm out on them or something?

And why not have the same concern for every other amp they make?
The R32 only has one output (16 ohm) for each power amp, so two speaker loads need to be connected, but separately from one another. The worry is someone will plug in the wrong cab combo, one side not the other, jumper the two sides together, etc...then they’ll end up with a bunch of damaged amplifiers on warranty repair requests. I think they’re coming to these determinations after repairs they already see on non stereo amps, because people are stupid.
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Re: Why theres no Rocker 32 head

Post by pedecamp » Mon May 14, 2018 12:44 pm

The solution would be release a Rocker 32 head that's not stereo. I think the stereo feature isn't all that important to most people but its nice to have in a combo I suppose.
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Re: Why theres no Rocker 32 head

Post by Jondog » Mon May 14, 2018 1:15 pm

pedecamp wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 12:44 pm
The solution would be release a Rocker 32 head that's not stereo. I think the stereo feature isn't all that important to most people but its nice to have in a combo I suppose.
Yeah, I agree with that. Just use the TH30 power section. Call it the Rocker 30 MKll and be done with it.
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