Thank you for that! I'll try to screw off the back plate and see if I can compare with that. Much appreciated.Boy_Narf wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:10 pmMake sure it's wired like this:
https://i0.wp.com/www.drdiagram.com/wp- ... C932&ssl=1
RV50H MKII Problems (Long story)
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Re: RV50H MKII Problems (Long story)
Orange Rockerverb 100 MKIII [2017]
Orange PPC412-A [2017]
Orange PPC412 [2017]
Gibson SG Standard Silverburst [2007]
Gibson SG Standard Heritage Cherry [2016]
More than a dozen drive/Fuzz boxes.
Orange PPC412-A [2017]
Orange PPC412 [2017]
Gibson SG Standard Silverburst [2007]
Gibson SG Standard Heritage Cherry [2016]
More than a dozen drive/Fuzz boxes.
Re: RV50H MKII Problems (Long story)
I still haven't gotten around to opening up my 412 but look at this old post from the Technical forum:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12313
They seem to be describing my same problem and it looks like bad, out of phase wiring has been pretty common with Orange cabs.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12313
They seem to be describing my same problem and it looks like bad, out of phase wiring has been pretty common with Orange cabs.
Orange Rockerverb 100 MKIII [2017]
Orange PPC412-A [2017]
Orange PPC412 [2017]
Gibson SG Standard Silverburst [2007]
Gibson SG Standard Heritage Cherry [2016]
More than a dozen drive/Fuzz boxes.
Orange PPC412-A [2017]
Orange PPC412 [2017]
Gibson SG Standard Silverburst [2007]
Gibson SG Standard Heritage Cherry [2016]
More than a dozen drive/Fuzz boxes.
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Re: RV50H MKII Problems (Long story)
Let's just hope that it is that, because that's a bery easy problem to solve.D|C|M|E wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:13 amI still haven't gotten around to opening up my 412 but look at this old post from the Technical forum:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12313
They seem to be describing my same problem and it looks like bad, out of phase wiring has been pretty common with Orange cabs.
If it is that..... your pain will have been worthwhile. Getting a new RV MKIII for the price of a b stock MKII is a pretty good deal!!! Fingers crossed for You!!! Open it up and keep us updated!!!
Ant
Orange Gear: RV50 MKI, R30, AD15, PPC212
And.... Genz Benz Black Pearl 30
Past Orange: AD30TC Combo, TT, AD5
Guitars: Gibson Les Paul Standard Faded, Vigier Expert Retro 54, Gibson SG 70s Tribute, Aria Pro II RS X80, G&L ASAT Special Tribute
Orange Gear: RV50 MKI, R30, AD15, PPC212
And.... Genz Benz Black Pearl 30
Past Orange: AD30TC Combo, TT, AD5
Guitars: Gibson Les Paul Standard Faded, Vigier Expert Retro 54, Gibson SG 70s Tribute, Aria Pro II RS X80, G&L ASAT Special Tribute
Re: RV50H MKII Problems (Long story)
Thanks, man. I hope it is that simple even though part of me will still be pissed I lived with it this long. And I did actually pay the difference for the MKIII 100. And also, I have to say that as much as I've tweaked the knobs, every time I have to settle on a notch, I get a little angry. I just can't believe they put training wheels on this amp. Its really unsettling to not have minute control over where the pot gets set. Especially on the EQ but ESPECIALLY on the gain knob. Its really maddening.Les Paul Lover wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:22 pmLet's just hope that it is that, because that's a bery easy problem to solve.D|C|M|E wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:13 amI still haven't gotten around to opening up my 412 but look at this old post from the Technical forum:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12313
They seem to be describing my same problem and it looks like bad, out of phase wiring has been pretty common with Orange cabs.
If it is that..... your pain will have been worthwhile. Getting a new RV MKIII for the price of a b stock MKII is a pretty good deal!!! Fingers crossed for You!!! Open it up and keep us updated!!!
I'm hoping to look inside today after work.
Orange Rockerverb 100 MKIII [2017]
Orange PPC412-A [2017]
Orange PPC412 [2017]
Gibson SG Standard Silverburst [2007]
Gibson SG Standard Heritage Cherry [2016]
More than a dozen drive/Fuzz boxes.
Orange PPC412-A [2017]
Orange PPC412 [2017]
Gibson SG Standard Silverburst [2007]
Gibson SG Standard Heritage Cherry [2016]
More than a dozen drive/Fuzz boxes.
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Re: RV50H MKII Problems (Long story)
D|C|M|E wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:39 pmThanks, man. I hope it is that simple even though part of me will still be pissed I lived with it this long. And I did actually pay the difference for the MKIII 100. And also, I have to say that as much as I've tweaked the knobs, every time I have to settle on a notch, I get a little angry. I just can't believe they put training wheels on this amp. Its really unsettling to not have minute control over where the pot gets set. Especially on the EQ but ESPECIALLY on the gain knob. Its really maddening.Les Paul Lover wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:22 pmLet's just hope that it is that, because that's a bery easy problem to solve.D|C|M|E wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:13 amI still haven't gotten around to opening up my 412 but look at this old post from the Technical forum:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12313
They seem to be describing my same problem and it looks like bad, out of phase wiring has been pretty common with Orange cabs.
If it is that..... your pain will have been worthwhile. Getting a new RV MKIII for the price of a b stock MKII is a pretty good deal!!! Fingers crossed for You!!! Open it up and keep us updated!!!
I'm hoping to look inside today after work.
Ah, I see.
Well let's pray it works anyway and that it is the issue!
Nothing wrong with being a happier man after a frustrating time!!!!
Ant
Orange Gear: RV50 MKI, R30, AD15, PPC212
And.... Genz Benz Black Pearl 30
Past Orange: AD30TC Combo, TT, AD5
Guitars: Gibson Les Paul Standard Faded, Vigier Expert Retro 54, Gibson SG 70s Tribute, Aria Pro II RS X80, G&L ASAT Special Tribute
Orange Gear: RV50 MKI, R30, AD15, PPC212
And.... Genz Benz Black Pearl 30
Past Orange: AD30TC Combo, TT, AD5
Guitars: Gibson Les Paul Standard Faded, Vigier Expert Retro 54, Gibson SG 70s Tribute, Aria Pro II RS X80, G&L ASAT Special Tribute
Re: RV50H MKII Problems (Long story)
I kind of like the notches. I find myself trying to replicate settings with no luck. Would be nice if I could just clikclickclick my way to tonal bliss!
Re: RV50H MKII Problems (Long story)
I appreciate your affinity but turning those knobs makes me welcome nuclear winter. Between that and the mid knob being absent from the clean channel, I feel like they might as well cut my hands off. We'll see if I still feel that way if the cabinet phase issue proves to be what is wrong with my tone and gets fixed.
Orange Rockerverb 100 MKIII [2017]
Orange PPC412-A [2017]
Orange PPC412 [2017]
Gibson SG Standard Silverburst [2007]
Gibson SG Standard Heritage Cherry [2016]
More than a dozen drive/Fuzz boxes.
Orange PPC412-A [2017]
Orange PPC412 [2017]
Gibson SG Standard Silverburst [2007]
Gibson SG Standard Heritage Cherry [2016]
More than a dozen drive/Fuzz boxes.
Re: RV50H MKII Problems (Long story)
So prying the back off a PPC412 feels like an impossible feat. Got any tips for doing it without destroying the tolex?
Orange Rockerverb 100 MKIII [2017]
Orange PPC412-A [2017]
Orange PPC412 [2017]
Gibson SG Standard Silverburst [2007]
Gibson SG Standard Heritage Cherry [2016]
More than a dozen drive/Fuzz boxes.
Orange PPC412-A [2017]
Orange PPC412 [2017]
Gibson SG Standard Silverburst [2007]
Gibson SG Standard Heritage Cherry [2016]
More than a dozen drive/Fuzz boxes.
Re: RV50H MKII Problems (Long story)
Unscrew and remove the jack panel and pull from there. Do not use anything to pry or you will rip the tolex.
Re: RV50H MKII Problems (Long story)
I managed to get to get it off by unscrewing the handle and banging it out from the inside.
So I'm not sure I can really compare this to the diagram posted on the last page. Does anyone see anything that looks weird? Seems like there are too many wires here:
So I'm not sure I can really compare this to the diagram posted on the last page. Does anyone see anything that looks weird? Seems like there are too many wires here:
Orange Rockerverb 100 MKIII [2017]
Orange PPC412-A [2017]
Orange PPC412 [2017]
Gibson SG Standard Silverburst [2007]
Gibson SG Standard Heritage Cherry [2016]
More than a dozen drive/Fuzz boxes.
Orange PPC412-A [2017]
Orange PPC412 [2017]
Gibson SG Standard Silverburst [2007]
Gibson SG Standard Heritage Cherry [2016]
More than a dozen drive/Fuzz boxes.
Re: RV50H MKII Problems (Long story)
I did some checking and don't see anything that matches your wiring diagram. I think something funky is going on there. I'll keep looking!
Re: RV50H MKII Problems (Long story)
Thank you for looking. Yeah, it looks overdone to me just based on the little research I've done.
Orange Rockerverb 100 MKIII [2017]
Orange PPC412-A [2017]
Orange PPC412 [2017]
Gibson SG Standard Silverburst [2007]
Gibson SG Standard Heritage Cherry [2016]
More than a dozen drive/Fuzz boxes.
Orange PPC412-A [2017]
Orange PPC412 [2017]
Gibson SG Standard Silverburst [2007]
Gibson SG Standard Heritage Cherry [2016]
More than a dozen drive/Fuzz boxes.
Re: RV50H MKII Problems (Long story)
Actually I think you are missing a wire!
http://music-electronics-forum.com/atta ... rallel.jpg
Flip that upside down and you will see what I mean. The top orange cable should be going to the bottom, and there should be another one doing the same on the right side. I think anyway :S
Anyone else confirm? I don't have much experience wiring cabs.
In all honestly I would unhook every cable and rewire it following the diagram.
http://music-electronics-forum.com/atta ... rallel.jpg
Flip that upside down and you will see what I mean. The top orange cable should be going to the bottom, and there should be another one doing the same on the right side. I think anyway :S
Anyone else confirm? I don't have much experience wiring cabs.
In all honestly I would unhook every cable and rewire it following the diagram.
Re: RV50H MKII Problems (Long story)
I think I'm starting to understand the wiring discrepancy but I don't want to do anything until I get a couple of back up opinions.Boy_Narf wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:10 amActually I think you are missing a wire!
http://music-electronics-forum.com/atta ... rallel.jpg
Flip that upside down and you will see what I mean. The top orange cable should be going to the bottom, and there should be another one doing the same on the right side. I think anyway :S
Anyone else confirm? I don't have much experience wiring cabs.
In all honestly I would unhook every cable and rewire it following the diagram.
Orange Rockerverb 100 MKIII [2017]
Orange PPC412-A [2017]
Orange PPC412 [2017]
Gibson SG Standard Silverburst [2007]
Gibson SG Standard Heritage Cherry [2016]
More than a dozen drive/Fuzz boxes.
Orange PPC412-A [2017]
Orange PPC412 [2017]
Gibson SG Standard Silverburst [2007]
Gibson SG Standard Heritage Cherry [2016]
More than a dozen drive/Fuzz boxes.
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Re: RV50H MKII Problems (Long story)
What ohms are your speakers?
I'm not convinced the wiring diagram were looking at would give you 16ohms if replicated in your cab.
I'm not convinced the wiring diagram were looking at would give you 16ohms if replicated in your cab.
Ant
Orange Gear: RV50 MKI, R30, AD15, PPC212
And.... Genz Benz Black Pearl 30
Past Orange: AD30TC Combo, TT, AD5
Guitars: Gibson Les Paul Standard Faded, Vigier Expert Retro 54, Gibson SG 70s Tribute, Aria Pro II RS X80, G&L ASAT Special Tribute
Orange Gear: RV50 MKI, R30, AD15, PPC212
And.... Genz Benz Black Pearl 30
Past Orange: AD30TC Combo, TT, AD5
Guitars: Gibson Les Paul Standard Faded, Vigier Expert Retro 54, Gibson SG 70s Tribute, Aria Pro II RS X80, G&L ASAT Special Tribute
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