Difference Thunderverb 50 & Rockerverb 50

[Gordy G]

Hi,i know this is a shamefull question on an Orange forum,but here goes.
What are the differences between these 2 heads.(Thunderverb 50/Rockerverb 50)
Thanks.

[Les Paul Lover]

One of the main practical difference is that the RV50 had dedicated clean and dirty channels. The TV50 has 2 channels that can be either clean or dirty.

After that, the RV50 has standard EQ controls on each channel (mind you, MKI and MKIII only have treble and bass controls, but since they interact with the mids, you really have full control). The TV50 has 3 band EQ on channel A, and a single shape control on channel B.

Both are modern amps, the TV50 is slightly more vintage voiced, though its channel B is a challenge to use outside of metal / Doom as it's particularly bassy.

And it think the TV50 as a global master volume mislabelled as attenuator.

[Gordy G]

Thanks for the info,so is a TH30 combo a similar set up to the TV50,in terms of it's channel voicing?,or is it a normal clean/lead,like the R30C,but with more eq on the clean,i'm slowly trying to get to understand all these different Orange amps & i've not even started on the different mk's yet.

[Jondog]

TH30 would be closer to the Rockerverb. Same preamp, different tone stack.

[Gordy G]

Thanks.i thought the TH,was an abbreviation for THunderverb.All very confusing (for old people),

[Les Paul Lover]

Thanks.i thought the TH,was an abbreviation for THunderverb.All very confusing (for old people),

You're not the 1st one to be confused about it. The TH30 has the same clean channel as the RV50, and the dirty channel I think of the Dark Terror.

As jondog stated, it's very similar to the RV50, but with reduced EQ controls on the dirty channel. It's a pretty neat amp if you can live with the shape control.

[Gordy G]

so i had an orange night & morning,learned all sorts of stuff & listened to a lot of you tube dems,info i read on the Orange website said the TH30 Clean was based on the RV & the Dirty was "influenced" by the TV,just thought i'd share this.

[Jondog]

I don't know why they're saying the dirty channel is influenced by the Thunderverb. The only thing really similar is having a shape control. The rest of the preamp circuit is pretty much Rockerverb. Four gain stages voiced the same as a Rockerverb more or less. Thunderverb has three gain stages on each channel voiced quite differently.

[Gordy G]

I'll check i've read it right,i've read so much Orange stuff in the last day,i could well be mistaken.

Edited:i've just checked what i read on the website & it's this

The Dirty channel features the same powerful Shape control first seen on our Thunderverb series, sweeping the midrange from scooped to boosted. Fine-tuning your distorted tones has never been easier or more rewarding.

Maybe i've interpreted that incorrectly,also on one of the Demos i watched it also said,it was based on the TH,but i'm well used to being wrong,in fact the older i get,the wronger i get.

[Jondog]

I have schematics of those amps, so that's what I'm going by. I definitely see more Rockerverb in the TH30 than Thunderverb. Th30 also uses the Dual Terror power amp. Same transformers as well. When I had a TH30 I was surprised to see "Dual Terror" written on the transformers, but it makes sense.

[Gordy G]

I have schematics of those amps, so that's what I'm going by. I definitely see more Rockerverb in the TH30 than Thunderverb. Th30 also uses the Dual Terror power amp. Same transformers as well. When I had a TH30 I was surprised to see "Dual Terror" written on the transformers, but it makes sense.

Hi,Jondog .see my reply above,i don't want you confusing me with someone who knows what they're talking about,i'm just reading stuff.

[Jondog]

I have schematics of those amps, so that's what I'm going by. I definitely see more Rockerverb in the TH30 than Thunderverb. Th30 also uses the Dual Terror power amp. Same transformers as well. When I had a TH30 I was surprised to see "Dual Terror" written on the transformers, but it makes sense.

Hi,Jondog .see my reply above,i don't want you confusing me with someone who knows what they're talking about,i'm just reading stuff.

No I understand, I think that's a misleading statement on Oranges part. People shouldn't expect a Thunderverb type sound from the TH30.

[Les Paul Lover]

That might explain why I thought it was quite similar to the RV50, though a bit tighter.

In any case, a pretty good amp if you can live with the shape control.
It is simplifying, but limiting too.

The clean channel on the TH30 is great too. Really great.

[Gordy G]

I sort of diverted my own thread with the TH30 question.
So if i can just confirm i've got this right?,a TV50 can be used as 2 gain channels?,rather than a dedicated "clean" & a gain,is this correct?,in other words it could be set up to switch channels between gain & more gain?.
Also can i ask,did they only make the TV50 as a head,with no combo version?.
Thanks,guys.

[Les Paul Lover]

I sort of diverted my own thread with the TH30 question.
So if i can just confirm i've got this right?,a TV50 can be used as 2 gain channels?,rather than a dedicated "clean" & a gain,is this correct?,in other words it could be set up to switch channels between gain & more gain?.
Also can i ask,did they only make the TV50 as a head,with no combo version?.
Thanks,guys.

Correct on both counts, there was no combo.
Be aware that channel B is pretty dark, and a lot of users have had problems with it outside of down tuned metal.