mixing g12m and g12h in an ob 212 orange cab

[kars0747]

Just bought two g12m greenbacks (used from 1994) to make my amp a little less loud and still be able to turn it up. Untill now I have run two g12 h celestions (70th and heritage), but have found them a little too bright and clinical. However the two g12m´s leave me with hardly any headroom. They have definately lowered my volume a bit and I recognise the warm wooden tone people tend to like. Now I have tried to mix them which I understand even Celestion themselves recomend and Matchless use this combination as well. Even though some say don´t, as one is 97 db and the other 100db, Anyway, here is my first impression after 15 min. of playing.

The g12h seem to come through the sound picture the most. However, the clinical thing and the overwhelming bottom end seems to be more smooth now. All in all it seems to be a very well balanced sound. However, 15 min of playing is not enough. I will keep you guys updated after having tested them with the band.

http://pickroar.com/603/the-greenback-and-h30-myth/

[fiveightandten]

Yeah, the H magnet speaker will definitely be more present due to the higher sensitivity rating. With regard to the headroom issue, I'd be willing to bet that you're now hearing the Greenback speakers breaking up, as opposed to just the amp.

If you find the top end on the H magnet to be too strident, you can try running one of these in front of that speaker. It will even things out between the 2:
http://www.instructables.com/id/Guitar- ... ifier-Bea/

That obviously affects the top end, and shaves the volume off a little as well. It works well in many situations if you're not micing the cabinet.

-Nick

[Ronnie Robinson]

That's cool , I will have to try that combination. You can read all the forum s you want but there is no substitute for trying things out for yourself, enjoy!

[kars0747]

Okay, got to play it a bit more today and I like it a lot. Don´t believe what people tell you about this being a bad mix because of the db difference. If you compare their frequency curves, you will see that at some frequency areas the greenback is actually louder. The nasty top end that the g12h can have is gone now and the lack of bottom end that the greenbacks on their own produce now is not an issue. The greenbacks on their own break up very early, that is also not an unpleasent issue anymore. I understand why Matchless use this combination. I am very pleased.

[a.hun]

Okay, got to play it a bit more today and I like it a lot. Don´t believe what people tell you about this being a bad mix because of the db difference. If you compare their frequency curves, you will see that at some frequency areas the greenback is actually louder. The nasty top end that the g12h can have is gone now and the lack of bottom end that the greenbacks on their own produce now is not an issue. The greenbacks on their own break up very early, that is also not an unpleasant issue anymore. I understand why Matchless use this combination. I am very pleased. A thing I found with this combination is that I now prefer closed back cab again

Yep, it is a very good combination. Agreed the couple of dB sensitivity difference (the G12M has actually been rated at 98dB for several years now! ) really doesn't matter at all. They compliment each others strengths and weaknesses very well for fine classic (vintage) rock tones.

Enjoy!


Andy.

[kars0747]

yeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!

[Les Paul Lover]

I've never tried the greenback, but i know that the G12H30 has very different characteristcs to the V30 for example, and would be a good mix with other speakers.

Glad you found a good mix!!!

[Darcy001]

Wow, thank you so much.

[pedecamp]

If you can get your hands on some Wharfedale GSH-1230 speakers (they are dirt cheap used) they are a good speaker for an Orange, better than greenbacks and V30's IMO.