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Orange combo/cab + head combination for post-metal?

Post by Entangled » Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:33 am

Hi, I play in a post-metal band with occasional clean, post-rocky moments as well as heavier, doom-like stoner-rock parts. I'm shooting for a Russian Circles/Pelican type of sound. I'm looking for an amp that would be good for this kind of music, I'd be grateful for any remonedations of particular Orange models! I play a Telecaster Deluxe FSR with humbuckers and another question is - would this guitar work well with Orange or should I think about changing it?

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Re: Orange combo/cab + head combination for post-metal?

Post by Stu Cazz » Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:09 pm

Well there are different models that could cover your needs.
I own a TH30 and think it has everything you are looking for. Love the clean channel!
And the dirty channel does all you ask for and more.
But you really have to try it first. Lots of people don't like the simplistic controls.
Once I spent some serious time with it I learned quickly to dial in all the sounds I needed, and it is really satisfying.
About your guitar it should be fine I guess.
The pickups I like the most trough my TH30 are the 59 Tribute's in my LP Traditional, probably because they are the ones with the lowest output in my stable.
And even those can sound really nasty with this amp, it has all the gain you need and more.
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Re: Orange combo/cab + head combination for post-metal?

Post by Les Paul Lover » Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:12 pm

To be honest, depending on budget and wattage required, any of the TH30/100, RV50/100, TV50/200, DD50/100 would do very nicely.

The TH30 clean channel is hard to keep pristine clean at loud volumes with humbuckers though.

Your guitar will do fine. But you could always change........ ;)

Isn't that what GAS is all about??? :mrgreen:
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Re: Orange combo/cab + head combination for post-metal?

Post by Boy_Narf » Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:15 pm

I just so happen to play the same style of music and my R30 does a great job. I use the combo 99% of the time, but if you want a bit more punch grab a 212, or if you want addition trouser flap grab the 412.

My favourite set-up is the R30 into the PPC212, but the way PA systems are these days, I don't find I ever need anything bigger than my 112 combo live.

I'm working on a stereo cabinet that will use my TT and a DH40H. Don't get to hung up on the amp. They will all do a great job, it's all in the fingers/style IMO. I frequently play "djenty" stuff with my TT and it works fine.

If you need a two channel amp with decent headroom (not sure if you are running a seperate clean setup) then I would think the TH30 might be a better option. I've heard the clean channel gets quite loud, where as the natural channel on the R30 starts to run out of headroom quite early (unless you run it with a clean boost).

I'm not at all a fan of the Rockerverb series, but the RV50 might be worth trying out. It's one of the most popular amps around here, and will probably do what you need it to.

Another option could be the OR50. Huge doomy gain sound, but it's only a single channel, so you will have to learn to clean up with your volume knob. Not sure if you are into this or not. It's currently the only Orange amp on my wish list.

Also if you roll back the volume from 10 to 7 or 8 it should help the humbuckers stay clean and not affect the volume too much.

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Re: Orange combo/cab + head combination for post-metal?

Post by BeyondTheSunn » Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:17 pm

Basically, any kind of Orange amp will do I reckon. Post Metal, Sludge, Doom, Drone etc., a lot of Orange gets used by a lot of bands of those genres. Cult of Luna being avid users of Orange not to mention a load of Doom and Drone acts.

Personally, I play those myself most of the time, Sludge/Doom/Drone etc., Cult of Luna, Russian Circles, Sleep, Sunn O))), Earth, Subrosa and the like. When I went with Orange (still not sure why I took so long to go Orange) I had several choices, those were a Rockerverb 50 MKII 2x12 combo, a package deal of a Rockerverb 50 MKII head and 2x12 open back cab - both of those amps were going very cheap as they've been discontinued with the MKIII now in production and the combo was going silly cheap because of that reason and it was an ex-demo too, others were the CR120H head with a 2x12 open back cab or the CRPRO412 compact cab and the CR120C 2x12 combo. I had the budget to get any of those but I had to narrow them down to two... Because I take ages in choosing when there's a lot on the table and before I know it they're gone or the deals are off. :P

I narrowed them down to two, the Rockerverb 50 MKII 2x12 combo and the CR120C 2x12 combo. I was 90% sold on the MKII simply because of 'what it was' and because of the discount price I got offered with it being an ex-demo, I played it a lot in the store alongside the CR120C but, it was missing something, for my own personal taste and sound, I felt that the CR120C was producing the sound more to what I was looking for than the MKII was - I just felt more drawn towards the CR120C, to me it sounds more "vintage" which I guess is down to Orange basing it on '70s Solid State technology yet also basing it off of the MKII, but that's not to say the MKII isn't capable of such sounds, it is, just that for me I prefer those sounds through a CR120C... If that makes any sense?... Anyway, the CR120C is a monster, well built - like a bunker, solid, reliable, properly capable and insanely loud and the louder it gets the better it sounds which can be quite rare for a Solid State amplifier. I'll never regret making this choice over the other Oranges I had as options, however those are great, especially for those kinds of genres.

With regards to your guitar? Whatever you think really, if you can get those tones you're looking for out of it then that's all that matters. You'd be hard pressed to find a Doom/Drone/Sludge/Post guitarist using a pointy-silly looking Dimebag 'what's his face' blah thing with silly high output pick-ups from EMG through a mega-high gain Mesa-blah-Boogie with more tubes than it really needs via several mega high gain pre-amp/power overdrive pedals anyway. Those genres isn't really about that despite sounding insanely heavy themselves.

My guitar is just a MIM Fender Telecaster '72 Deluxe, Les Paul style layout with regards to pick-ups, controls and 3-way switch. Fitted Ernie Ball Cobalts to it, 62. 52. 42. 30w. 17. 13. strings, Drop B - EADGB, very heavy sounding guitar. Although it's getting modified in the coming months with The Creamery 'Extra Width' Wide-Range pick-ups which aren't particularly high-output, IIRC 11.8k on the bridge and 10.9k on the neck, 500k Bournes/Seymour Duncan pots with Orange .22 drops and an enclosed 3-way switch... Open-geared Hipshot tuners, a Fender Strat style hardtail bridge... Brass nut. Simply put, don't really need to go for a guitar that's held in a specific genre, and if you want to mod it it doesn't have to be with things associated with specific genres, too.

If I may mention pedals, you can get quite a few that are made for such sounds you're looking for. Dunn Effects Pedals (formerly Dunn O)))... I guess you can guess what styles those are), Electrical Audio Experiments - they've just released a pedal called the Model feT of which I'm getting, basically a Sunn Model T pre-amp in pedal form. Even Earthquaker Devices are getting in on the Drone, Doom & Sludge side with a pedal called the Acapulca Gold. One control, Master Volume, and one on/off switch and apparently it's power amp distortion/fuzz pedal that's based on a fully cranked Sunn Model T that's about the break, meaning blow up. Now that'll be something! That is currently on my waiting list, just waiting for it to be officially released which is any day now, can't wait. Pedals like that that can help you find the tones you're looking for, plug them into any Orange amp and you're onto a winner. :)

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Re: Orange combo/cab + head combination for post-metal?

Post by everdrone » Sat Apr 16, 2016 3:17 am

Entangled wrote:Hi, I play in a post-metal band with occasional clean, post-rocky moments as well as heavier, doom-like stoner-rock parts. I'm shooting for a Russian Circles/Pelican type of sound. I'm looking for an amp that would be good for this kind of music, I'd be grateful for any remonedations of particular Orange models! I play a Telecaster Deluxe FSR with humbuckers and another question is - would this guitar work well with Orange or should I think about changing it?
I downtune and play doom

I need at least 50 watts and a closed back 212 for jams and practice. anything less would be nuts!

I dunno if I could get away with 30 watts, prolly not since I need the low end from my bass transformers in my thunderverb

to be safe go with 100 watts or a thunderverb. ...I dont think like a 50 watt rockerverb would cut it really for my style of music, just not enough low end. thats been confirmed by many other doomsters. I got rid of my marshall cause not enough low end low mids it was bad...
My solo downtuned HEAVY rock project: https://soundcloud.com/earthalliance

Guitarist and Bassist in Fort Worth, TEXAS
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Re: Orange combo/cab + head combination for post-metal?

Post by saturnine » Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:26 am

That's the kind of my music that I also play :)

For this I use a Rockerverb MK I 50 W head + PPC 412 and it sounds really great. It's got the texture to give a very full sound aswell as the punch to cut through, when needed. I use it with a lot of different stompboxes, but the rhythm sound is 95% of the time just guitar straight into the amps gain channel.

Here's an example of the sounds I get from it:

https://open.spotify.com/track/3hBMglP7tLY2z8P2jW1zq6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Orange combo/cab + head combination for post-metal?

Post by Tisca » Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:14 pm

saturnine wrote:.
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Here's an example of the sounds I get from it:

https://open.spotify.com/track/3hBMglP7tLY2z8P2jW1zq6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

/J
I listened through your album. That's my kinda music, good stuff.
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Re: Orange combo/cab + head combination for post-metal?

Post by saturnine » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:24 pm

Tisca wrote:
saturnine wrote:.
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Here's an example of the sounds I get from it:

https://open.spotify.com/track/3hBMglP7tLY2z8P2jW1zq6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

/J
I listened through your album. That's my kinda music, good stuff.
Thank you so much! That's really nice to hear :)


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