Orange PPC212 - Open back or closed back?
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:55 am
Hello everyone,
for years I've been playing on my Peavey Valveking 412 cabinet. Since I finally have a job and I can save the money little by little for an upgrade, I have been looking for a new cabinet.
The reason I want a 212 cabinet is simple: I believe in the principle: Less is more + the 412 is huge... It takes too much space in my car, we rehearse on the 1st floor and have to go up and down a steep staircase, wich can be slippery (it's outside) sometimes. Accidents are imminent.
I heard A LOT of good things about the Orange Brand and I am very interested in the Orange PPC212 cabinets, both closed and open backs. I read dozens of reviews, viewed dozens of video's on youtube and heard them in action live on stage (not very representative going through a PA).
I play on an Epiphone Les Paul Ebony (yeah I know, not the best guitar but I still have money issues) through my pedalboard into a Blackstar Stage HT-100 head.
I almost exclusively play original songs and occasionally some covers.
The genre of my band: Well, that's difficult, we play different genres...
Some people compare us to Foo Fighters, Snow Patrol, U2, R.E.M., Pearl Jam, The Cure, Trapt and Mogwai.
To explain this: I'm the only guitarplayer in my band and I am very influenced by Post-Rock and Ambient music. These influences are in our band in some kind of "radio-friendly" (not all of them) rock songs. I have a pretty heavy sound and use tons of reverb and delay, but sometimes I use almost nothing.
One of our songs: https://www.mp3days.net/download-mp3/79 ... -bang.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
More songs: http://unpayable.bandcamp.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Now my question is this: Would the open back be more interesting for me to get the overall ambience in the room/on stage without losing the "heavyness"? Or should I opt for the closed back for the more tight lower end? Would the open back be too "soft" because I read that it's better for blues, surf, etc. music?
I palmmute pretty often (not crazy metal palmmuting), use heavy chords and play both standard and drop-D tuning. I don't play metal, but I have influences.
I must admit, like many other guitarplayers I too have problems with hearing myself on stage and while rehearsing. The open back could help with that, or so I heard, but I'm scared I'd miss the punch it needs for our music.
For the record: I know mids are the key, I don't scoop them and I cut the bass just enough to work with our bassplayer. Gains are at moderate level or less. I just miss the "presence" I sometimes need, but also the "drive" could be a lot more.
I know, 212 cabinets are smaller than 412, so are lower to the ground. The plan is to put the cab on a flight case.
Unfortunately, our closest musicstore (it's the biggest musicstore of my country, Belgium) doesn't have these in stock so testing them out is (for now) impossible... Hearing the difference between the 2 is not possible at this moment.
Do any of you have any opinions, suggestions, tips or experiences with these cabinets? I'm not saying you have to choose for me, I'm just asking what COULD be the best one of the two, for my music?
All help is much appreciated!
for years I've been playing on my Peavey Valveking 412 cabinet. Since I finally have a job and I can save the money little by little for an upgrade, I have been looking for a new cabinet.
The reason I want a 212 cabinet is simple: I believe in the principle: Less is more + the 412 is huge... It takes too much space in my car, we rehearse on the 1st floor and have to go up and down a steep staircase, wich can be slippery (it's outside) sometimes. Accidents are imminent.
I heard A LOT of good things about the Orange Brand and I am very interested in the Orange PPC212 cabinets, both closed and open backs. I read dozens of reviews, viewed dozens of video's on youtube and heard them in action live on stage (not very representative going through a PA).
I play on an Epiphone Les Paul Ebony (yeah I know, not the best guitar but I still have money issues) through my pedalboard into a Blackstar Stage HT-100 head.
I almost exclusively play original songs and occasionally some covers.
The genre of my band: Well, that's difficult, we play different genres...
Some people compare us to Foo Fighters, Snow Patrol, U2, R.E.M., Pearl Jam, The Cure, Trapt and Mogwai.
To explain this: I'm the only guitarplayer in my band and I am very influenced by Post-Rock and Ambient music. These influences are in our band in some kind of "radio-friendly" (not all of them) rock songs. I have a pretty heavy sound and use tons of reverb and delay, but sometimes I use almost nothing.
One of our songs: https://www.mp3days.net/download-mp3/79 ... -bang.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
More songs: http://unpayable.bandcamp.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Now my question is this: Would the open back be more interesting for me to get the overall ambience in the room/on stage without losing the "heavyness"? Or should I opt for the closed back for the more tight lower end? Would the open back be too "soft" because I read that it's better for blues, surf, etc. music?
I palmmute pretty often (not crazy metal palmmuting), use heavy chords and play both standard and drop-D tuning. I don't play metal, but I have influences.
I must admit, like many other guitarplayers I too have problems with hearing myself on stage and while rehearsing. The open back could help with that, or so I heard, but I'm scared I'd miss the punch it needs for our music.
For the record: I know mids are the key, I don't scoop them and I cut the bass just enough to work with our bassplayer. Gains are at moderate level or less. I just miss the "presence" I sometimes need, but also the "drive" could be a lot more.
I know, 212 cabinets are smaller than 412, so are lower to the ground. The plan is to put the cab on a flight case.
Unfortunately, our closest musicstore (it's the biggest musicstore of my country, Belgium) doesn't have these in stock so testing them out is (for now) impossible... Hearing the difference between the 2 is not possible at this moment.
Do any of you have any opinions, suggestions, tips or experiences with these cabinets? I'm not saying you have to choose for me, I'm just asking what COULD be the best one of the two, for my music?
All help is much appreciated!