CR120H + PPC112?

[Black13]

Is the CR120H head the same width as the PPC112 cabinet? I can't find any pictures and I don't want the head to hang over the edge of the cab.

Will the 16Ω cab effectively reduce the head's output to 60 watts, make it a perfectly mating matched set? Like a closed-back CR60c?

(120 watts at 8Ω's is about 60 watts at 16Ω's in a Solid State head, right?)

[58LPRI]

Is the CR120H head the same width as the PPC112 cabinet? I can't find any pictures and I don't want the head to hang over the edge of the cab.

They are the same width (55cm), I don't about the other stuff.

https://www.orangeamps.com/products/gui ... sh-cr120h/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.orangeamps.com/products/gui ... ck/ppc112/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Bensnake]

Yes, they're the same width.

Regarding your second question about the CR120's power, this question has been debated before:

http://forum.orangeamps.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=51401" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wouldn't say pairing the CR120H to a PPC112 is a "perfect match" though. I'd use a 212, or two 112's, to be on the safe side.

[Black13]

Is the CR120H head the same width as the PPC112 cabinet? I can't find any pictures and I don't want the head to hang over the edge of the cab.

They are the same width (55cm), I don't about the other stuff.

https://www.orangeamps.com/products/gui ... sh-cr120h/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.orangeamps.com/products/gui ... ck/ppc112/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sweet! Thanks for researching that better than I was able to!

Yes, they're the same width.

Regarding your second question about the CR120's power, this question has been debated before:

http://forum.orangeamps.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=51401" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wouldn't say pairing the CR120H to a PPC112 is a "perfect match" though. I'd use a 212, or two 112's, to be on the safe side.

I didn't find any definitive answer at that thread, but did find this bit of wisdom:

put an EVM12L in there.

Which is what I'll do after (if I ever), blow the Vintage 30 Celestion that's in there now, but I'm pretty sure they're unblowable. All my other Solid State amplifiers reduce their output power by about half when doubling the total resistance load the amp "sees" at its terminals. Just saying I'm going to trust my instinct here and report back if anything bad happens. Still seems like the perfect paired match made in the grove to me.

I mean, they're the same width! That can't be an accident. Just seems weird that everywhere I've found online, people are scared to run the PPC112 with this head. Everyone seems to advise against it, but that doesn't make any sense to me.

(I've been pushing 1450 watts through two EVM-15L's, rated at 400 watts total, for a while now with now issues. Seems some of these companies are pessimistic with their ratings. My Chinese-made V-30, with stamped steel basket, seems robust enough to me.)

[Mystic38]

(120 watts at 8Ω's is about 60 watts at 16Ω's in a Solid State head, right?)

No.

While it is common for an amp rated at 8R to have a reduced output at 16R it is not always the case. Output stage designs are either current limited, voltage limited, or both, and a reduced output power at 16R would only happen if the output stage is voltage limited.

Also, without researching or finding a statement to the contrary (and i have not looked), given that Orange cabs are 16R it would surprise me greatly if the amp was not 120W at 16R


So, while i think you would be fine for general use with the CR120/PPC112, obviously diming gain & volume, then bashing power chords in drop D like a crazed demon without paying any attention to the sound could well give your speaker cause for complaint .. of course at that point any self respecting speaker would commit suicide just to get away from the awful playing!..lol

regards

[Ronnie Robinson]

Quite a few of the Orange heads are also the same width as the ppc112 - such as the Rv50, so you have the option of using a ppc112 but that doesn't mean it would be recommended to use at high volume.

However at home at house friendly volumes and even a fair bit louder no problem.

Interesting everybody seems to be telling you its not a good idea but your confident your right.

[Black13]

Interesting everybody seems to be telling you its not a good idea but your confident your right.

I am confident in being able to hear a cone's over excursions, and knowing when to back off, but I officially agree that overpowering any speaker beyond its rating is never a good idea. (I agree with everyone.)

I'll just keep it casual, and stay below the head's maximum power levels.

A bit off topic, but I just have to give praise to the PPC112 cabinet in its stock form with the Celestion V-30. Whew! It's literally the BEST investment I've made in my guitar's tone (not counting the guitar itself) so far. It makes all the difference in the world, no matter what piece of junk I hook it up to.

I've been playing around, hooking it up to different things and it improves everything sevenfold, at least. I disconnected the little 8" "Marshall" driver in an old MG-10 combo and connected the PPC112 - it screams, in a good way now. Amazing improvement in every way.

Then, I disconnected the internal "Electar" speaker in my 1939 re-issue Century Electar Amp, and the PPC112 made it gold. With an Ultimate OverDrive in front of it, the amp reminds me of an old Sovtek MIG 50 (clean) I used to have. That Electar amp is good down to 4Ω's, but it didn't mind the 16Ω PPC112 at all. I know the general consensus is that it's still pushing 18 watts through the greater resistance load, but it seemed attenuated to my ears, and I was really able to dig deep into that power tube break-up, at pleasant, bedroom SPLs.

I don't know how the "Voice of the World" (VOTW) speakers stack up against the Vintage-30's, but there sure is a huge price increase to have the V-30 in a CLOSED-BACK cab and this head, compared to the CR60c (open-back VOTW) combo, or even the CR120c (open-back VOTW x 2) combo.

My point is that the PPC112 is my favorite cab in the world.

[Ronnie Robinson]

Is it new?

Pleased you like it, if the speakers are new once they got worn in their tone imo gets so much better - less stark less sterile yes there good cabs!

[Black13]

Is it new?

Pleased you like it, if the speakers are new once they got worn in their tone imo gets so much better - less stark less sterile yes there good cabs!

Mines sort of new, I've put probably less than 24 hours total playing through it. I'm sure the speaker is only just starting to break in.

I just ordered the head (don't have it yet); waiting for my new CR120H to arrive is making me feel anxious. Just trying to watch every youtube video and read everything about it, because I'm pretty excited to have something that should be so reliable, and sound good at the same time. Here's to hoping Orange's SS technology is better than anyone else's. I'm thinking as long as I don't crank it, it should be worth the money, at least.

[Jondog]

They're the same width only because Orange has a standard width for their chassis and heads. Doesn't mean they're designed to be compatible. PPC112 is designed to fit under an Orange head....rocker 30, AD30, Rockerverb 50, Tiny/Dual Terror or Dual stacked 112 cabs for more powerful heads

[Black13]

10-4. I'll buy another PPC112 cab as soon as I can (which could be a while). It'll sure look majestic, a full (small) stack like that, and expensive too (for solid state) but I knew Oranges weren't cheap.

Actually no. It'll be less expensive (and kind of awesome) to just throw an 8Ω EVM -12L (200W) in there, then upgrade my Electar combo amp to the V-30.

[pedecamp]

Youre running a 120 watt amp through a 60 watt cab? That's a recipe for disaster, lets use common sense here.

Also its best to match your amp and cab ohms, but if its not possible make sure the cab is higher than the amp otherwise you risk amp meltdown.

[Randy Bass]

Youre running a 120 watt amp through a 60 watt cab? That's a recipe for disaster, lets use common sense here.

Also its best to match your amp and cab ohms, but if its not possible make sure the cab is higher than the amp otherwise you risk amp meltdown.

As the OP mentioned, the CR120H has a solid-state power section and the minimum impedance is 8 ohms. The output will be considerably less than 120 watts at 16 ohms, though not necessarily as low as 60 watts. Also, impedance matching is not necessary with a solid-state output section like the one in the CR120H. Otherwise, super advice!

[Black13]

Youre running a 120 watt amp through a 60 watt cab? That's a recipe for disaster, lets use common sense here.

Also its best to match your amp and cab ohms, but if its not possible make sure the cab is higher than the amp otherwise you risk amp meltdown.

Yes I am, and I'm here to testify: It's PERFECT!

As Randy Bass mentioned, the higher resistance of my PPC112 single 12" cab "considerably lowers" the output (not necessarily as low as 60 watts).

It's a match made in the grove, just LOOK:



It just came in the mail. At first, I plugged in a Squier guitar and wasn't impressed. Had a moment of doubt there. Then, I plugged in the Gibson with the 500t bridge pickup and was blown away with pleasing tone bliss. It's like this amp really accentuates less-than-adequate electronics. I heard subtle nuances I didn't notice before with the Squier pup. With the better source, it was instant love.

10-4. I'll buy another PPC112 cab as soon as I can (which could be a while). It'll sure look majestic, a full (small) stack like that, and expensive too (for solid state) but I knew Oranges weren't cheap.

Actually no. It'll be less expensive (and kind of awesome) to just throw an 8Ω EVM -12L (200W) in there, then upgrade my Electar combo amp to the V-30.

I revoke my last post. I won't be buying another cab or upgrading anything. It's perfect, and I'm happy. I'll let ya'll know if I blow anything up, but that's not going to happen.

[Randy Bass]

It looks awesome. My only suggestion would be to make sure you don't turn the Master Volume past 2:00 or so to try to keep the power section from getting anywhere close to hard clipping.