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Effects Loop Issue

Post by matk01 » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:19 pm

Hello everyone. As of last week I recieved my new dark terror. I worked great as I ran it through its paces. However I noticed this week the effects loop hasn't been working right. I rarely use it, but I noticed when I'd plug in an effect and engage it, there would be no sound. I turned up the volume and gain and could barely hear sound.
I tried swapping different outlets, different cables, and even different power supplies for the pedal. Could this be the effects loop tube already going? I was also wondering, since I rarely use the effects loop. Will the head unit still be okay if I keep running it? For example, will the other tubes wear faster?
Just curious, thanks for any info, very much appreciated!
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Re: Effects Loop Issue

Post by bclaire » Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:57 pm

What kind of pedal? Some pedals are just not meant to go through an effects loop - in fact, effects loops were really designed for rackmount type of effects. There are two signal levels; line level and instrument level (-10 line level and +4 instrument level), and if they don't match what the effects loop is, you won't have good results.

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Re: Effects Loop Issue

Post by matk01 » Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:04 am

I originally used a One Spot with Ehx Nano Small Stone and an Earthquaker Devices Dispatch Master. They did work through the effects loop. Then I tried again days after, no sound. I then swapped out the power supply for a single power wall unit, again didnt work.
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Re: Effects Loop Issue

Post by a.hun » Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:24 am

Valves can fail, even new ones. In fact that is the most likely time for weak ones to show up. Worth a try...


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Re: Effects Loop Issue

Post by Les Paul Lover » Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:31 am

Also worth making sure those pedals work in front of the amp too. Just to make sure one of the cable/pedal/psu isn't the cause of your problems.
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Re: Effects Loop Issue

Post by matk01 » Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:25 pm

If I swap out that effects loop tube with the same type, will it need biased?
Also the effects do work in fron of the amp, good point.

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Re: Effects Loop Issue

Post by Man1ak » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:58 pm

No need to re-bias.
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Re: Effects Loop Issue

Post by matk01 » Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:40 am

Okay so I swapped it out with a fresh tube and same issues, still no sound. I noticed too there is a slight hum, also when I switch the head into bypass there is a pop. Could it be a different tube perhaps? I notice too the hum is slightly there when taken out of standby, turned on, no guitar plugged in.
I dont want to throw money at it and swap all new tubes. I've seen online that I could do the 'pencil test' for the tubes to check if there is any rattling/ping noise. The amp works fine otherwise. I'm considering leaving well alone and not using the effects loop.

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Re: Effects Loop Issue

Post by Les Paul Lover » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:45 am

If you have changed the fx loop tube and still have an issue, and your amp is new, just make use of the warranty.

I know it's annoying, but it's probably the best thing to do.
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Re: Effects Loop Issue

Post by Ronnie Robinson » Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:13 pm

Of your in the UK may just be a 2 week turnaround.
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Re: Effects Loop Issue

Post by matk01 » Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:25 pm

I'm actually in the US. Using the warranty is the best way to go. I like this amp too much to return it. Rather it work right, no matter how long it takes. Thanks for the help guys!

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Re: Effects Loop Issue

Post by matk01 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:39 pm

So silly me. After emailing with Orange Support for my warranty, they sent me an email for some troubleshooting. I made such a rookie mistake and had the effects send and return jacks switched this whole time! Ahhh! I didn't even think to look and completely assumed the position for these jacks was universal on all amps. Ah well, live and learn!
But It's still allive!!! Love this amp!!!
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Re: Effects Loop Issue

Post by a.hun » Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:07 pm

Guess we've all done daft things now and again! :lol:

Good result anyway, that's the important thing.


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Re: Effects Loop Issue

Post by Ronnie Robinson » Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:09 pm

:lol:
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Re: Effects Loop Issue

Post by Sunbane » Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:14 am

I was browsing this thread earlier this morning while troubleshooting my DT. After I a pedal board rebuild I couldn't get any sound out of the amp if I plugged the loop in. I thought I had busted the tube, but it turns out my PSU was too anemic to drive the delay pedal along with everything else, so the delay pedal killed the signal. I thought I'd put this in here in case someone else has the same problem. After I put the delay box on its own PSU everything is rocking again. :D

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