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which pedal reverb?

Post by fedepepo » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:37 pm

Hi guys,
new question for the orange community. A problem that a lot of us have, I think.
My Dual terror doesn't have integrated reverb. So I'd like to buy a good reverb pedal, but DT30H doesn't have send/return too!!
Which good pedal can I buy, running it in input signal? Between guitar and head without having some "badsounds" problems?
Thanks a lot!
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Amps:
Orange Dual Terror w 2x12 Celestion V30 loaded cab
Marshall JCM800 2210 Head w Marshall 4x10 80's vintage cab
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Re: which pedal reverb?

Post by Jondog » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:47 pm

Alot of people seem to like the Holy Grail through the front. I have a Hardwire Supernatural that sounds amazing, but I use an effects loop. I think a plate reverb sounds best in front of an amp.
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Re: which pedal reverb?

Post by fedepepo » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:54 pm

Thank Jondog,
exactly, what do you mean when you write "plate" reverb?
Amps:
Orange Dual Terror w 2x12 Celestion V30 loaded cab
Marshall JCM800 2210 Head w Marshall 4x10 80's vintage cab
Guitars:
Fender Strat American Special
Fender Telecaster American Special
Fender Strato Mex '94 HSS JB

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Re: which pedal reverb?

Post by a.hun » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:56 pm

Do you want reverb for clean(ish) sounds only or with overdrive / distortion too?

If clean(ish) only than before the amp is fine and you don't need to worry about no daft FX loop thingy. If for drive sounds than you really do want to run reverb after your distortion. So either in a loop or after a drive pedal. To be honest though I'd hardly ever use reverb with anything above light crunch levels of gain myself. Things just get too indistinct. And adding more than a shade of reverb live is almost always a mistake (unless playing outdoors) as you'll get natural room reverb anyway.

Short delay settings can give much the same sort of effect as reverb but without such big problems with distortion sounds. (Just a thought! :wink:)

Personally I'm very happy with my tragically non booteek EH HG+ (Holy Grail Plus). I've compared it many times with my real (well, real reissue :wink:) Fender valve spring tank and the sound quality is very close, to small to worry me at all. Plenty of other good choices out there as well though.


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Re: which pedal reverb?

Post by a.hun » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:57 pm

Plate reverb:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverberation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(As opposed to spring reverb!)


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Re: which pedal reverb?

Post by fedepepo » Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:00 pm

I would a reverb for little crunchy sounds on tiny channel with a good distortion on my fat channel!
So, EHX HG could be a good reverb?
Amps:
Orange Dual Terror w 2x12 Celestion V30 loaded cab
Marshall JCM800 2210 Head w Marshall 4x10 80's vintage cab
Guitars:
Fender Strat American Special
Fender Telecaster American Special
Fender Strato Mex '94 HSS JB

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Re: which pedal reverb?

Post by fedepepo » Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:01 pm

a.hun wrote:Plate reverb:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverberation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(As opposed to spring reverb!)


Andy.

THANKS!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Amps:
Orange Dual Terror w 2x12 Celestion V30 loaded cab
Marshall JCM800 2210 Head w Marshall 4x10 80's vintage cab
Guitars:
Fender Strat American Special
Fender Telecaster American Special
Fender Strato Mex '94 HSS JB

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Re: which pedal reverb?

Post by saturnine » Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:15 pm

I like the craziness you can get by putting a reverb pedal in front of the amp :) BUT, if you like to keep it a bit more subtle, I have good experience from using a Digitech Digiverb in front of both my Micro Terror and other amps. Just play around with the mix knob as well as the type of reverb.

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Re: which pedal reverb?

Post by Boy_Narf » Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:20 pm

Strymon Flint if you want classic verbs. Or the Bluesky if you want something a bit more modern.

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Re: which pedal reverb?

Post by Gladmarr » Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:28 pm

My favorite reverb pedal - hands down. Because you can kick it around.

http://www.danelectro.com/more_spring.html

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Btw, how are you putting a plate reverb into your amp, do you haul your rig around on a flatbed truck? I've never seen a plate reverb that wasn't a two man lift at the very least.
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Re: which pedal reverb?

Post by Jondog » Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:35 pm

Gladmarr wrote:My favorite reverb pedal - hands down. Because you can kick it around.

http://www.danelectro.com/more_spring.html

Btw, how are you putting a plate reverb into your amp, do you haul your rig around on a flatbed truck? I've never seen a plate reverb that wasn't a two man lift at the very least.
I meant a digital plate reverb :roll:
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Re: which pedal reverb?

Post by 0000 » Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:40 pm

I had great lucky running one of the original Holy Grail Reverb pedals into the front of my amp. It was nice because it had three different reverb types and they blended naturally with the dirty amp tone of my Orange.

However, I now use Death By Audio's Reverb pedal. It's much more dirty sounding of a reverb and can get some killer ambient noise and feedback going... great for the noisy garage rock-type music I play
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Re: which pedal reverb?

Post by a.hun » Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:26 pm

Gladmarr wrote:My favorite reverb pedal - hands down. Because you can kick it around.

http://www.danelectro.com/more_spring.html
They are great. Wouldn't mind one myself too. Real spring in it too, yeah? Or was that BS?
The Fender tank through a live amp just causes pain and howls of complaint when you kick it. So... I don't kick it! :wink:

The reel echo is fun too, though I really swear by my old DE1 Dan Echo delay which does from hi-fi repeats to warm lo-fi tape style repeats. Cool as you like.

Yeah I though Jondog was talking digital 'plates'. The real things get a bit bulky. Many studios built them into their own room.

If you go 'Holy Grail' I'd definitely recommend the 'Plus' version over the straight basic HG pedal. More control (but not too much), and AFAIK none of the noise issues some complain of with the original. Works great with all of my own amps anyway.


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Re: which pedal reverb?

Post by Gladmarr » Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:04 pm

And if you have a chance at an electro harmonix Holiest Grail, pass it by. It's a terrible reverb pedal. Not worth it at all!

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Re: which pedal reverb?

Post by jesperbc » Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:09 pm

I use this one: http://www.tcelectronic.com/trinity-reverb/
Same tech as the TC Hall of Fame, but with presets tweaked by Pro Guitar Shop.
Gear: Orange Rocker 30 head, Orange TH100 head, Orange PPC212OB cab, pedals galore, Fender MIJ 52 RI Tele w. BKP Blackguard Flat '52s, Fender MIA Standard Strat w. Fender CS Fat '50s, ESP LTD MH-1000 w. BKP (AlNiCo) Nailbomb/VHII.

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