100W head into 2x12: Safe?

[slumbeR]

Title says it all really. I'm quite new to tube amps. I'm about to buy my first one.

For example: is a TH100 compatible with a PPC212 cab? I've read something about the wattage, especially when you crank the amp. But I really don't know much about it so...


Thanks in advance.

[Spaceboy1]

It depends on the speakers. The PPC212 has dual 60w speakers so a 100w is not a problem. However, let's say the cab had Greenbacks, those speakers are each rated for 25w, so a 100w amp would be too much. But a PPC212 is going to be fine with any Orange guitar amplifier except maybe the 200w Thunderverb or whatever.

[slumbeR]

It depends on the speakers. The PPC212 has dual 60w speakers so a 100w is not a problem. However, let's say the cab had Greenbacks, those speakers are each rated for 25w, so a 100w amp would be too much. But a PPC212 is going to be fine with any Orange guitar amplifier except maybe the 200w Thunderverb or whatever.

Thanks for helping me out.

So even when I set the volume very loud this wouldn't damage my speakers?

[Ronnie Robinson]

If it's got the usual V30s it will he fine

[Thinline_slim]

If it's got the usual V30s it will he fine

I would agree. If it's just a straight stock PPC212 with Celestion Vintage 30s I personally wouldn't have any problem running a 100w head into it.

[thinspirits77]

The PPC212 can handle 120W. One nice thing about the TH100 is that you get 4 wattage options, so you don't have to run it on 100W all the time. I've had mine for a few months now with a PPC212 - for practices and shows I run it at half power/4 output tubes and it is ridiculously loud (like I still don't even get it past 11 o'clock on the the dirty channel volume. Just based off of the fact that you mentioned you are new to tube amps leads me to believe you probably won't be maxing it out on the 100W mode much, so you shouldn't have to worry about it. Worst case scenario, get 2 PPC212s, they look awesome.

[slumbeR]

If it's got the usual V30s it will he fine

I would agree. If it's just a straight stock PPC212 with Celestion Vintage 30s I personally wouldn't have any problem running a 100w head into it.

Ok, thanks so much for helping me out

[Spaceboy1]

It depends on the speakers. The PPC212 has dual 60w speakers so a 100w is not a problem. However, let's say the cab had Greenbacks, those speakers are each rated for 25w, so a 100w amp would be too much. But a PPC212 is going to be fine with any Orange guitar amplifier except maybe the 200w Thunderverb or whatever.

Thanks for helping me out.

So even when I set the volume very loud this wouldn't damage my speakers?

Yep, you'll be a-okay.

[slumbeR]

The PPC212 can handle 120W. One nice thing about the TH100 is that you get 4 wattage options, so you don't have to run it on 100W all the time. I've had mine for a few months now with a PPC212 - for practices and shows I run it at half power/4 output tubes and it is ridiculously loud (like I still don't even get it past 11 o'clock on the the dirty channel volume. Just based off of the fact that you mentioned you are new to tube amps leads me to believe you probably won't be maxing it out on the 100W mode much, so you shouldn't have to worry about it. Worst case scenario, get 2 PPC212s, they look awesome.

Thanks for replying! I may not max it out that much indeed, just hope it won't be a problem when I get close to the maxed out volume. At band practice I can barely get as loud as my bass player so it's kind of important that I can go loud with it. 2 2x12's would look awesome indeed!

thanks for your help.

[thinspirits77]

Thanks for replying! I may not max it out that much indeed, just hope it won't be a problem when I get close to the maxed out volume. At band practice I can barely get as loud as my bass player so it's kind of important that I can go loud with it. 2 2x12's would look awesome indeed!

thanks for your help.

What are you using now that can't get as loud as the bass player? Sounds like he needs to turn down... Or maybe try some more mids in your eq? I think I could play on 35W with my TH100 and still be louder than everyone else in the band. You will not have a problem being too quiet with that head/cab combination.

[jesperbc]

I've been running my TH100 into a PPC212 open-back cab in 100 watt mode for a year and a half without any issues.

[Tizzer]

The PPC212 can handle 120W. One nice thing about the TH100 is that you get 4 wattage options, so you don't have to run it on 100W all the time. I've had mine for a few months now with a PPC212 - for practices and shows I run it at half power/4 output tubes and it is ridiculously loud (like I still don't even get it past 11 o'clock on the the dirty channel volume. Just based off of the fact that you mentioned you are new to tube amps leads me to believe you probably won't be maxing it out on the 100W mode much, so you shouldn't have to worry about it. Worst case scenario, get 2 PPC212s, they look awesome.

Thanks for replying! I may not max it out that much indeed, just hope it won't be a problem when I get close to the maxed out volume. At band practice I can barely get as loud as my bass player so it's kind of important that I can go loud with it. 2 2x12's would look awesome indeed!

thanks for your help.

If you're used to solid state amps, I think you'll be surprised how insanely loud 100 watts of tube power really is. I know I was. If I turn my amp past half volume on the dirty channel it starts to drown out everybody else, including the drummer. Like everybody else has been saying, a PPC 212 can handle up to 120watts so you'll be fine.

[Boy_Narf]

I would be careful with the full 100 watts into that cab. I had the same question about my rv100 into a ppc212. According to the manual it puts out nearly 250 watts at louder volumes on the dirty channel. I would definatly drop the th100 down to half power when running into that cab.

[Forrrest]

i'd listen to Boy_Narf ^^^

to be safe with your speakers I'd keep a 2:1 ratio between speaker handling and amp watts.


I would NOT run a 100w tube head into a pair of V30

[Boy_Narf]

I've always found it interesting that Orange does not recommend running 100 watts (at higher volumes) into the PPC212, but they have no problem running 50 watts into a single 12 (112 R50C). I guess the 100 watt transformers put out much more juice.