Rockerverb 100/Thunderverb 200 vs TH100

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Rockerverb 100/Thunderverb 200 vs TH100

Post by IllDuce » Thu May 03, 2012 8:19 pm

Hi all Orange experts,

I'm looking to get me a new amp. I have a TH30 but it is not loud enough for rehearsal. I can't match the drum level.

I've been looking at Rockerverb 100 and Thunderverb 200. I very much like til distortion and controls in the RV, but it has not the depth and clarity of the TV i like. The perfect tone for me is a combination of those to amp. I play in a post/black metal band, so I need a good high gain with clarity i cords and bassy depth.

Maybe the TH100 is more in my taste? Is it more bassy and clear in it's tone then the TH30?

It should be mentioned that I haven't tried the RV or TV with the rest of my band, only at a store :-(

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Re: Rockerverb 100/Thunderverb 200 vs TH100

Post by ironlung40 » Thu May 03, 2012 9:09 pm

IllDuce wrote:Hi all Orange experts,

I'm looking to get me a new amp. I have a TH30 but it is not loud enough for rehearsal. I can't match the drum level.

I've been looking at Rockerverb 100 and Thunderverb 200. I very much like til distortion and controls in the RV, but it has not the depth and clarity of the TV i like. The perfect tone for me is a combination of those to amp. I play in a post/black metal band, so I need a good high gain with clarity i cords and bassy depth.

Maybe the TH100 is more in my taste? Is it more bassy and clear in it's tone then the TH30?

It should be mentioned that I haven't tried the RV or TV with the rest of my band, only at a store :-(

If all u need is more of the TH30 sound, then I'd automatically say TH100. But, that is about all I can muster on this one. I take the "more bassy and clear in it's tone" to mean more headroom and the TH100 will definitely have more of that.

I can't imagine the TH30 not being loud enough for a rehearsal though, as I know the rocker 30's will keep up with a loud drummer. Is your amp healthy?
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Re: Rockerverb 100/Thunderverb 200 vs TH100

Post by Dark Helmet » Thu May 03, 2012 9:21 pm

choice 2:

tell the drummer to shut up.


choice 3:

make sure the cab isn't just pointing at your feet.
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Re: Rockerverb 100/Thunderverb 200 vs TH100

Post by IllDuce » Thu May 03, 2012 9:25 pm

I know that the TH100 is louder and it has more headroom, but the question is more about does the TH100 have more clarity and more bassy sounding, like TV200?!

We have 2 guitarists in the band and we both have the TH30 and neither of them is loud enough. I have also tried to swap all the tubes incl. power tubes. But also the the clarity is a bit of an issue, maybe it's too gainy?!

As I said... The ultimate amp is a hybrid between the RV100 and TH200, but that doesn't exist :-( The alternative is to buy both of those amps and a PPC412HP-8 and make a custom footswitch that switch both amps at once, but is an very expensive project...

My cab is raised about 90 cm from the floor. I wouldn't mean it pointing at my feet :-)

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Re: Rockerverb 100/Thunderverb 200 vs TH100

Post by baytamusic » Thu May 03, 2012 10:18 pm

A 100w amp will have more bass than a 30w generally speaking, and the added headroom will allow more volume with a "clearer" or "cleaner" sound so it might work. AD140 maybe?

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Re: Rockerverb 100/Thunderverb 200 vs TH100

Post by OU818 » Thu May 03, 2012 10:22 pm

Dude, seriously, if two TH30s aren't loud enough to overcome your drummer... get a new drummer.

I play a 30watt el84 amp and it could be used to blow my drummer's head off from 10 meters if I was so inclined.
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Re: Rockerverb 100/Thunderverb 200 vs TH100

Post by IllDuce » Thu May 03, 2012 10:36 pm

baytamusic: What I have heard from youtube the AD140 doesn't have the gain I need. And maybe your right about the 100w thing :-) thanks... I have to try it, if it's possible... But I can't return it if it's not like I hoped... I can only play it in the store :-(

OU818: Don't know what to say... I'm not lying... We had hoped that 30w would be enough, but it's not... We both are looking to buy new amps. We have to turn the volume op to about 2 o'clock and it breaks to much and doesn't sound good...

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Re: Rockerverb 100/Thunderverb 200 vs TH100

Post by ironlung40 » Fri May 04, 2012 1:54 am

IllDuce wrote:baytamusic: What I have heard from youtube the AD140 doesn't have the gain I need. And maybe your right about the 100w thing :-) thanks... I have to try it, if it's possible... But I can't return it if it's not like I hoped... I can only play it in the store :-(

OU818: Don't know what to say... I'm not lying... We had hoped that 30w would be enough, but it's not... We both are looking to buy new amps. We have to turn the volume op to about 2 o'clock and it breaks to much and doesn't sound good...
You're describing headroom issues, if you're getting too much breakup then you want more headroom which equates to the bassier clarity comment you made.

You say 2 o'clock, but are you maxing out the master volume and THEN turning your preamp gain up to the desired levels when on the dirty channel?
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Re: Rockerverb 100/Thunderverb 200 vs TH100

Post by Les Paul Lover » Fri May 04, 2012 6:19 am

Mmh, the clean channel of the TH30 doesn't have much headroom, fromwhen I tried it, I couldn't see myself playing it "clean" with a drummer. It will get that old school break up, quite fuzzy - great for 60/70s rock, but not sogreat for clean parts IMO.

If you like the overal tone of the TH30, but just need clean parts with no hint of break up at all, then the TH100 shoulddo the trick.
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Re: Rockerverb 100/Thunderverb 200 vs TH100

Post by IllDuce » Fri May 04, 2012 9:48 am

ironlung40 wrote: You're describing headroom issues, if you're getting too much breakup then you want more headroom which equates to the bassier clarity comment you made.

You say 2 o'clock, but are you maxing out the master volume and THEN turning your preamp gain up to the desired levels when on the dirty channel?
Yes, I set the volume of the gain channel to the level to match the volume of the drums (about 2 o'clock) and set the preamp gain at about 1-2 o'clock to get the gain i want, and it doesn't sound that good. If i turn the gain down I'm not getting the feed and sound/tone i want.
Les Paul Lover wrote:Mmh, the clean channel of the TH30 doesn't have much headroom, fromwhen I tried it, I couldn't see myself playing it "clean" with a drummer. It will get that old school break up, quite fuzzy - great for 60/70s rock, but not sogreat for clean parts IMO.

If you like the overal tone of the TH30, but just need clean parts with no hint of break up at all, then the TH100 shoulddo the trick.
The headroom of the gain channel is also an issue, after my opinion. I like the overall tone of the TH30, but it's not clear or bassy. But would you say that the TH100 could be a good RV/TV hybrid candidate?

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Re: Rockerverb 100/Thunderverb 200 vs TH100

Post by Les Paul Lover » Fri May 04, 2012 11:58 am

Headroom is a perfectly cean tone before any sign of overdrive/distortion.

In respect of your dirty channel, I assume you are disappointed with the clarity/articulation of your tone at higher gain settings? Do you want your tone to be tighter? And have more bass to it?


I have never tried the TH100 - it should be the same amp as yours, but the with more low end because of the higher wattage. However it may well be that its overall clarity/articulation is about the same as your current amp.
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Re: Rockerverb 100/Thunderverb 200 vs TH100

Post by IllDuce » Fri May 04, 2012 1:56 pm

Les Paul Lover wrote:In respect of your dirty channel, I assume you are disappointed with the clarity/articulation of your tone at higher gain settings? Do you want your tone to be tighter? And have more bass to it?
I want the clarity and lows/bass of the Thunderverb, but I think it's missing some gain. I don't need/want a tighter distortion. It's not that tight metal i'm playing. The music i'm playing is more Cult of Luna, Isis and The Ocean.

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Re: Rockerverb 100/Thunderverb 200 vs TH100

Post by Les Paul Lover » Fri May 04, 2012 4:46 pm

I'm not sure if the TH100 will help you. It will have more low end for sure, but can it pull as much low end as the TV series, i'm not sure. The TV50/200 have dedicated transformers to have so much low end.

At this stage, the TV200 and a boost for extra gain might be the better option? At least you know that it has the low end and clarity you want.

The rockerverbs are capable of plenty low end too - though i find that loads of bass on my RV50 can be detrimental to overall articulation. Bloody good though!
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Re: Rockerverb 100/Thunderverb 200 vs TH100

Post by IllDuce » Fri May 04, 2012 6:53 pm

I think you are right about the TV200... I had just hoped the TH100 was something for me, with the lower price...

What booster would be the one to go with then?

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Re: Rockerverb 100/Thunderverb 200 vs TH100

Post by Icarus » Fri May 04, 2012 6:58 pm

What sort of volume did you get to try the 200 out at? Practice/gig levels?

Why do you want a boost? More gain? Compression? Cut?
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