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Re: RIP Amy Winehouse

Post by Van Cleef » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:46 am

Mrjones2004x wrote:
People who take drugs in my eyes are stupid. People who can't enjoy life for what it is. You control your own destiny and if your not happy in yourself/life then do something about it.

then go and take your record collection and set fire to it...

I have to say that if you think drugs haven't had some positive effects on art, music, culture, literature... then you are breathtakingly naive


to answer your question - i have taken drugs - - long long time ago, and i enjoy good wine now...

why did i do it? simple - experimentation, new way of looking at the world, drugs if taken sensibly can be a huge creative tool (again - if you don't believe this - take your record collection and set fire to it)

why do i take these things? so i don't end up having knee-jerk attitudes such as yours...

there are a billion reasons why people take drugs and 70% of the time it is linked with mental illness... it has nothing at all to do with laziness

having said all that - if drugs are to be taken at all, they should be used to open up your mind not shut it down... clearly winehouse just wanted to shut down... she wasn't using the drugs in any imaginable creative way... she was merely trying to oblitterate herself
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Re: RIP Amy Winehouse

Post by Randy Bass » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:50 am

The Jonas Brothers don't use drugs :| .
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Re: RIP Amy Winehouse

Post by Van Cleef » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:52 am

Randy Bass wrote:The Jonas Brothers don't use drugs :| .

neither does hillsong or DC Talk

the defence rests, your honour
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Re: RIP Amy Winehouse

Post by myboss57 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:54 am

Randy Bass wrote:The Jonas Brothers don't use drugs :| .
'nuff said, me thinks. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: RIP Amy Winehouse

Post by Ddjembe Mutombo » Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:33 am

Van Cleef wrote:
Randy Bass wrote:The Jonas Brothers don't use drugs :| .

neither does hillsong or DC Talk

the defence rests, your honour
Having played in worship bands for almost a decade, I think it would be hilarious if Hillsong did smack and snorted blow.
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Re: RIP Amy Winehouse

Post by Randy Bass » Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:18 am

I'm glad that we haven't lost any great entertainers to alcohol yet 8) .
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Re: RIP Amy Winehouse

Post by Van Cleef » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:11 am

Randy Bass wrote:I'm glad that we haven't lost any great entertainers to alcohol yet 8) .

rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
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Re: RIP Amy Winehouse

Post by Randy Bass » Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:26 am

Van Cleef wrote:
Randy Bass wrote:I'm glad that we haven't lost any great entertainers to alcohol yet 8) .

rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
I'd rather be dead than red on the head :lol: !
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Re: RIP Amy Winehouse

Post by Randy Bass » Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:39 am

Van Cleef wrote:...drugs if taken sensibly can be a huge creative tool (again - if you don't believe this - take your record collection and set fire to it)...
If I may "piggyback" onto that point...anyone who doesn't think that gay porn has had some positive effects on culture should go burn their entire DVD collection :lol: .
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Re: RIP Amy Winehouse

Post by Van Cleef » Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:56 am

Randy Bass wrote:
Van Cleef wrote:...drugs if taken sensibly can be a huge creative tool (again - if you don't believe this - take your record collection and set fire to it)...
If I may "piggyback" onto that point...anyone who doesn't think that gay porn has had some positive effects on culture should go burn their entire DVD collection :lol: .
or at least try and abstain from watching American Football...
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Re: RIP Amy Winehouse

Post by space-boy » Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:23 pm

Back to the original post and with nothing but too little to add, I just want to say that I loved the artist.
I totally agree on those who stated that musicians are not role models per se.
I expect an athlete to be a role model. A police man. A politician. A father/mother with their child.
There is a big double moral on this. Rock'n'roll is about excess, soul/blues is about breaking your heart and getting it torn, but we want this to be played by people with no vital experiences. Understand me, I'm not making any apollogy of drugs: I don't use them, and I don't like them. But, the truth is that when you've lived over the verge you got things to say. Those romantic poets from the 18th century that committed suicide for love were not much different from her. They all were consciously suicidal... Art in general has a strong bond with pain. And you shouldn't expect some one who enjoys or recreates on their own suffering to be a role model. But through this, some times, they make something really exceptional, they turn this pain into something else, something beautiful.

She was 23 or 24 when she was recorded back to black album...24!!
Have you ever listened to the bitterness, matureness of her voice? It was just a matter of time, for sure. How is that? "The star that brights double lives half the time". How many people this age you know with the necessary guts to sing like this?
She definetly lived too fast. A lot of people gives back to human kind much less than she did with her art, though -let's say: the forementioned Pete Doherty.

Finally, Billy, I cry for the loss of the artist. Her life wasn't more worthwhile than that from those people murdered in Norway. Neither that from 11 million people about to die in Somalia. It was worth just one human life.
But the art that her death has taken away from us, for that I cry. The world seems a little more gray to me now.



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Re: RIP Amy Winehouse

Post by the gray area » Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:53 pm

I think the Bill Hicks sketch on drugs & music sums this kinda thing up perfectly.

I think a lot of people like to get very judgmental about subjects they have very little idea about, i.e a strong opinion developed by just what they read about in the tabloid press. Shee-ite! I work with drug addicts every day & you get to see some of the very best & very worst of how people are.
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Re: RIP Amy Winehouse

Post by misterMagoo » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:57 pm

The way I look at it is that everyone has their vices. It's what you do with your life that defines you. Amy Winehouse is certainly not the same as the average abuser. I doubt she was stealing off her parents, but then hey what do I know.

What I do know is that I have used different drugs before, and I'm a functional human being who contributes to society. Why did I do them? Because I'm not afraid to try new things. Listen man, some people just aren't afraid of opening there minds to new experiences. That's why I skydive, cliff jump whitewater raft, rock climb, etc. The same reason. Cuz I'm not afraid. Cuz I want to know that I lived my life when the time comes to sign off. But I guess I'm stupid cuz I don't live my life???

And really dude, what are you preaching? Led Zeppelin? Van Halen? Yeah they were clean as a whistle :roll:
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Re: RIP Amy Winehouse

Post by OrangePaul » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:20 pm

I think you guys on here quoting Bill Hicks need to remember it was part of his comic routine which went on to include those playing records backwards....
I mean seriously guys....no amount of drugs was ever gonna turn New Kids On The Block into someone as talented as The Beatles :D
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Re: RIP Amy Winehouse

Post by bclaire » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:48 pm

The good news on the other hand, is that Justin Bieber will be 27 in ten years....
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