Played a 345 when I was in the bay area a not long ago and just loved it--much to my surprise. Wound up buying an old '68 in really outstanding shape. Killer neck...feels darn near identical to my old LP...same medium chunk shape. Plays like a dream; with .011s it plays just about as well as my other guitars with .010s. Killer old T-tops--my favorite Gibson humbuckers.
The stereo variatone is a loser though; I'll remove the old harness, save it off in one piece and replace the pots, caps and variatone with a newer ones and a mono, bypassable variatone without the huge inductors. I also just happen to have two gorgeous Black Beauties (tone caps) waiting to go in
I am so stokked!
The old wood is back!
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Damn! Now I am really envious. That varitone...how does it work? I have something similar on one of my guitars, I just thought of it as a "mid shift" type deal. Mine also has 6 positions. Anyways nice score there man...I've been wanting a 335 or a 345 since I heard one live a while back. Perfect tone.
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wow, real nice guitar, how much did that cost ya??? i gotta know!
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Thanks guys!
Hey Wendigo - the Variatone is an interesting idea...all varitones are pretty much networks of capacitors and a resistor or two that are used to notch certain frequency bands up or down a bit. But the older ones, they're implemented in a way that is a little unfortunate. First, it weighs close to a pound--not just the switch, but the switch and the HUGE inductors that are part of its design. So it adds a fair amount of weight to the guitar.
Second, it is wired in stereo (the guitar is "stereo" in that one pickup goes to one side of the stereo field and the other pickup goes to the other). This makes it harder to use from a mono amp (the guitar were originally intended for use with a 'stereo' amp that Gibson sold). The two channels were out of phase, like many reverb model Fenders, and the pickups are out of phase to compensate for this.
Third, it is not completely bypassable. In the earlier design, there is a 100k resistor that's always in the circuit.
So...I have removed the entire wiring harness will keep it in tact. I'm installing a new harness with a simpler, mono variatone that is completely bypassable.
The new ES-345s are more like this. They have a mono jack and the variatone sounds much better.
All that being said, it is a great sounding guitar. I love T-Top humbuckers; probably my favorite Gibson humbuckers.
Hey Wendigo - the Variatone is an interesting idea...all varitones are pretty much networks of capacitors and a resistor or two that are used to notch certain frequency bands up or down a bit. But the older ones, they're implemented in a way that is a little unfortunate. First, it weighs close to a pound--not just the switch, but the switch and the HUGE inductors that are part of its design. So it adds a fair amount of weight to the guitar.
Second, it is wired in stereo (the guitar is "stereo" in that one pickup goes to one side of the stereo field and the other pickup goes to the other). This makes it harder to use from a mono amp (the guitar were originally intended for use with a 'stereo' amp that Gibson sold). The two channels were out of phase, like many reverb model Fenders, and the pickups are out of phase to compensate for this.
Third, it is not completely bypassable. In the earlier design, there is a 100k resistor that's always in the circuit.
So...I have removed the entire wiring harness will keep it in tact. I'm installing a new harness with a simpler, mono variatone that is completely bypassable.
The new ES-345s are more like this. They have a mono jack and the variatone sounds much better.
All that being said, it is a great sounding guitar. I love T-Top humbuckers; probably my favorite Gibson humbuckers.
Yo Neil,
Check this out (scroll down the page a little):
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showth ... 935&page=3
Check this out (scroll down the page a little):
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showth ... 935&page=3
Trjona - as for the price. You want me to kiss and tell? hahha. Well, it cost plenty...but it was a mere pittance when compared to a 335 of similar vintage. And it's kinda silly because these were easily just a nice, once you get rid of the stereo/variatone.
BTW...I've been waiting on the guy who built me the new variatone switch, otherwise I'd have been done 2 weeks ago. He's turning out to be the kinda guy who doesn't do things when he says he's going to.
BTW...I've been waiting on the guy who built me the new variatone switch, otherwise I'd have been done 2 weeks ago. He's turning out to be the kinda guy who doesn't do things when he says he's going to.
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