I need a new pedal

MSP · Post by **MSP** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:13 pm

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Magnus Pettersen
 An old Rat is the ultimate shoegaze pedal
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True, but a Boss PN-2 is also a classic shoegaze tremolo pedal and I wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole haha. No, that's a good point. I was interested in the You Dirty Rat awhile ago because it seemed fuzzier than the conventional Rats, but besides the two sad mp3s on their site, there are no videos or mp3s of them anywhere, and I kept reading in reviews how great it was at doing Hendrix... which made me go "meh."

Magnus Pettersen · Post by **Magnus Pettersen** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:44 pm

The PN-2 is amazing! Instant My bloody valentine!

irish_admiral · Post by **irish_admiral** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:50 pm

Can someone explain "shoegaze" to me please?

Magnus Pettersen · Post by **Magnus Pettersen** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:01 pm

Gazing at your shoes = shoegaze, you have so many pedals that you can't look at anything else. Simple as that

Van Cleef · Post by **Van Cleef** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:08 pm

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by irish_admiral
 Can someone explain "shoegaze" to me please?
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shoegaze now is a disgusting shadow of it's former self - but i suspect msp is talking about the older stuff... think melodic wall of sound moody british stuff from the late 80s early 90s.... lots of melodic reverb and delay and effects to create a mood... plenty of distortion etc - the term shoegaze came from the fact that the players look deadpan on stage - unengaged with the audience primarily because they are too concerned with their pedals and also because there was a certain 'anti-rock' element ie: 'we don't need to dance around like fools to play our instruments...some could argue it is one of the precursors to emo... but i think that is way too harsh because much 'shoegaze' stuff was really good

also think - androgenous guys with bob cuts - basically pre-oasis

some of the good shoegaze bands include

Cocteau Twins
My Bloody Valentine (flagship originators some would say - and easily one of my top 10 bands of all time)
Ride
Jesus and Mary Chain
Chapterhouse
Slowdive
Pale Saints
Lush

...these days the 'new' shoegaze movement was pretty much championed by Sigur Ros... who i think are intersting... but nowhere in the league of aforementioned bands

anyway... that's my take on it and if people don't agree with me then i fully respect their right to be incorrect ')

fat controller · Post by **fat controller** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:13 pm

MSP, have you checked out the midfi electronics stuff? They would have you covered on the "insane" front. Cool pedals. CErtainly not generic. Really, it sounds like you're talking about two pedals...

BTW, how's the Bassman treating you?

Irish Admiral, "shoegaze", as exemplified by early 90's British band My Bloody Valentine is a form of alternative music characterized by repetitive hyper-melodic riffs/loops, ungodly loud guitars awash in reverb (not the surf kind) and other effects and barely intelligible lyrics. Think bubblegum on top and sinister underneath.

And Van Cleef, don't forget the INCREDIBLE Swervedriver!

GuitarMD · Post by **GuitarMD** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:05 pm

Seymour Duncan Tweak Fuzz
Barber Trifecta
Hartman LM308

~GuitarMD~

nguideau · Post by **nguideau** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:52 pm

Yeah, to me it's pretty disgusting to even consider mentioning MBV in the same post as Sigur Ros. MBV is actually guitar-driven, whereas Sigur Ros just makes me want to do acid and punch myself in the face.

Anyway, good luck to you on the search for this pedal. I think dilemmas like this is why it took Kevin Shields so freakin' long to finish "Loveless".

TheOrangeJuicer · Post by **TheOrangeJuicer** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:36 pm

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by MSP
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Magnus Pettersen
 An old Rat is the ultimate shoegaze pedal
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True, but a Boss PN-2 is also a classic shoegaze tremolo pedal and I wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole haha. No, that's a good point. I was interested in the You Dirty Rat awhile ago because it seemed fuzzier than the conventional Rats, but besides the two sad mp3s on their site, there are no videos or mp3s of them anywhere, and I kept reading in reviews how great it was at doing Hendrix... which made me go "meh."
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The "You Dirty Rat" is my favorite pedal in that line so far. It's very good, if not your style. Give it a try as they shouldn't be too hard to find. Then there is the SD Tweak Fuzz which has loads of variations on tap. You'll probably find something to like about that one. It has very little overdrive, so it will remain more clean and it seems to actually get a bum rap about that. Also anything that Adrian belew plays must be killer. Have you heard his fuzz tones?

nguideau · Post by **nguideau** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:02 pm

Not really shoegaze, but similar era and scene... Pavement used RATs through clean Fenders like Twins for their early recordings through Slanted & Enchanted, I believe.

Norrin Radd · Post by **Norrin Radd** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:06 pm

tristan · Post by **tristan** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:32 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LlJJUTocV4
This may be too muddy for you (look around 1:20) but Jason Simon uses an AD30HTC with a Tele through a ProCo Rat and Big Muff Pi.. gets some fantastic psychedelic rock tones. Again, probably too muddy. Here's another clip of Dead Meadow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPMmmFC7Ymk (look around 2:00)

I can't picture "jangly" with fuzz.. jangly makes me think Brian Jonestown Massacre (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeLepdqMPMk), which is not so fuzzy.

Here's a local band: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rRvbmCP-uc Is that anything close to the kind of music you're playing with?

I'm just trying to put a sound/style to what you're asking for. Sometimes words for sounds can mean different things.

Le Chat Noir · Post by **Le Chat Noir** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:43 pm

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by nguideau
 Not really shoegaze, but similar era and scene... Pavement used RATs through clean Fenders like Twins for their early recordings through Slanted & Enchanted, I believe.
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I love Pavement, really one of my favourite bands musically and lyrically, so unique and quirky... but there isn't a guitar tone on any of their records that I'd be comfortable with using myself! Pretty lo fi and disgusting most of the time...

nguideau · Post by **nguideau** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:18 pm

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Le Chat Noir
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by nguideau
 Not really shoegaze, but similar era and scene... Pavement used RATs through clean Fenders like Twins for their early recordings through Slanted & Enchanted, I believe.
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I love Pavement, really one of my favourite bands musically and lyrically, so unique and quirky... but there isn't a guitar tone on any of their records that I'd be comfortable with using myself! Pretty lo fi and disgusting most of the time...

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[:(!]

Well, to each his own!

There isn't a guitar tone on any of their records that I don't love fiddling with and trying to mock. But their guitar sound is definitely a love/hate kind of thing. I can see how people could enjoy listening (because all their songs are essentially basic pop structures at the root of it all) but not necessarily have any interest in replicating it (because it is far from "perfect" both in technical playing and production alike).

...and just to be clear, just kidding with the angry face, we all have our own unique tastes and I respect you all for it.

MaxProphet · Post by **MaxProphet** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:27 pm

Urso Splinter

http://www.pedalspluseffectswarehouse.c ... s-splt.htm

err, not cheap. may be what you are after tho.

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