Vintage 30 and G12H

yaronis1 · Post by **yaronis1** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:48 am

Hi,

I have just received my second avatar contemporary 1x12 cab loaded with a hellatone 60L (vintage 30 with a little more bass). The first avatar contemporary 1x12 is loaded with hellatone 30 (g12h).

I find myself not liking the vintge 30. I find it to be a more metal type speaker. It's lacks the warmth the g12h has.

I have tried to to play them both simultaneously. In that way I find the tone a lot fuller but I still prefer the sound of a g12h.

Does anyone has any personal experience regarding these speakers?
Would you suggest that I will replace the vintage 30 with a g12h or some other type speaker?

thenewkid · Post by **thenewkid** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:14 pm

what you using to play with?
I Heard Mesa C90's sound badass with a TT.

yaronis1 · Post by **yaronis1** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:05 pm

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by thenewkid
 what you using to play with?
I Heard Mesa C90's sound badass with a TT.
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Avatar Contemporary 1x12.
Guitar is Fender American Deluxe Ash Stratocaster SSS SCN Pickups.

irish_admiral · Post by **irish_admiral** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:40 pm

A G12H speaker does sound a lot 'warmer' than a V30, which is a brighter and more cutting speaker.

Metal? Maybe. Hard rock? Yes.

If you play with mainly clean sounds, you might well prefer the G12H speakers as the V30s aren't that good at clean sounds compared to other Celestion offerings.

corky newman · Post by **corky newman** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:49 pm

+1....I find for the very best cleans, some of the emminence speakers sound best...but I still love my vintage 30's...

dylan · Post by **dylan** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:29 pm

i would'nt mind swapping out one of the V30's in my AD30TC combo to a G12H ! a best of both worlds type of thing8)

irish_admiral · Post by **irish_admiral** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:56 am

Mmm... I went with Century Vintage speakers. Not as warm as a G12H, but very sweet sounding on cleans, and you can dial out some of the brightness to get that warmth using your guitar or amp tone dials.

jvande7 · Post by **jvande7** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:48 pm

I recently got an Avatar Contemporary 1x12 with a Hellatone 60 (Vintage 30) and it sounded pretty dull until I removed the back of the cab. Then it sounded pretty decent but I still didn't like the V30 very much so I swapped it for a Weber 1230-55 (55hz G12H30) and now it sounds amazing! The Weber (G12H30) has more warmth and grit, whereas the V30 is shrill and sterile and generic sounding. I would say go with some type of G12H for sure, but the consensus online is that a 2x12 with a V30 and a G12H is the best combo. Everyone likes different things. Jimi Hendrix was rumored to have used a lot of 55hz G12H30's back in the day, so I bet your Strat would love them.

IMO.

yaronis1 · Post by **yaronis1** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:43 pm

I think I will go with a Heritage G12H or a regular G12H instead of the vintage 30.
I have heard that mixing an alnico blue/gold with a G12H is a good combination, has anyone tried it?

fat controller · Post by **fat controller** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:56 pm

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by yaronis1
 I think I will go with a Heritage G12H or a regular G12H instead of the vintage 30.
I have heard that mixing an alnico blue/gold with a G12H is a good combination, has anyone tried it?

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I have a g12h in one of my Avatar Vintage cabs and a Gold in the other. I play a Dr. Z Stang Ray head through the gold and a Savage MAcht 12 head throught the g12h. Seems to be the best combo. I love both speakers, and both sound great with either head. I like the g12H better for boosted signal through over-driven amp, while I like the gold for pushed amp/slight compressed signal. CHime & dimension on Gold is lovely, the the G12H just handles everything in a very balanced, well-adjusted sort of way (to my ear, anyway).

jvande7 · Post by **jvande7** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:46 pm

I wish I would have bought an Avatar vintage cab instead of a contemporary one.

Don't know what I was thinking...

I'm going to buy a piece of thick quality birch plywood and cut an open-back I think.

Le Chat Noir · Post by **Le Chat Noir** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:42 pm

It's stange, I love my live rig tone - AD30TC and Ashdown EVO-III 500 bi-amped - but I find the AD30 on its own sounds very 'cardboardy'. Without the bass amp, there is no bottom end or warmth, it sounds very dark, dry and clinical. The two together are heaven though, I get so many compliments on my live tone. I might follow Joe's lead and buy Century Vintage at some point, but I'm too poor currently!!

irish_admiral · Post by **irish_admiral** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:41 pm

It's a good idea, Teddy... not sure about dry sounding (my AD30 sounds nice and organic), and it won't do much about the bass-shy nature, but I love the sound of it compared to previously...

orangeape · Post by **orangeape** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:42 pm

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by thenewkid

I Heard Mesa C90's sound badass with a TT.
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YOu heard right. I had a TT with a PPc 2x12 that i put c90's in.

Awesome. By the time I figured it out, I had sold it and it was being shipped out.

sgpornstar · Post by **sgpornstar** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:18 pm

I'm a G12H guy myself, not a huge fan of V30's. But I have a 2X12 with one of each... tone heaven. I think they are great mixed.

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