G12M25 and G12H35?

Orphin · Post by **Orphin** » Thu May 01, 2008 6:55 pm

OK, I don't know a great deal about various drivers. But I'm looking the get another 412 cab. Something with a different sound than the PPC412 for variety.

So I'm looking at this Marshall 412 cab from 1981 holding blue greenbacks ([:0]?) named G12M25.

A friend of mine is offering to sell his Marshall 412 cab holding G12H35 speakers. I have tried this cabinet very little and I think I remember liking what I heard.

Discuss.

Orphin · Post by **Orphin** » Thu May 01, 2008 9:09 pm

Humpty bumpty

Orphin · Post by **Orphin** » Thu May 01, 2008 11:07 pm

If my first post was unclear (unlike the others this answer is not Matamp

) what I'm trying to ask for is your experiences with these speakers and might if someone can explain a little about their characteristics..

Orphin · Post by **Orphin** » Fri May 02, 2008 2:08 am

bumpo

Orphin · Post by **Orphin** » Fri May 02, 2008 9:21 am

I'm really not getting much help on this one..

Bink · Post by **Bink** » Fri May 02, 2008 10:15 am

Hi David,

I think the problem with this question is that it's so reliant on personal taste...
The G12H has a power handling of 35w, the G12M 25w. That means in a 4x12 they'd have a power handling of 120W and 100W respectively. Can't remember the power of your Ormat...

I love the G12M, it's got a creamy sound. I prefer the Heritage and proper vintage versions that I have heard over the new G12M. The new one sounds less balanced to my ears, the Heritage and vintage (The cab I heard was from the 70s I believe) M's had a more balanced top and bottom. You will lose some bass over the V30 though.

I have less experience with the G12H I'm afraid.
It's been my intention to record some clips of my AD15 through the V30 and through a Heritage G12M for a while to try and give a comparison, being a bank holiday in the UK this weekend I might actually get round to doing it!

Comparing the G12M to a V30 through the AD15 (which is a mid gain amp) the break up and harmonic content to the sound is smoother and less agressive and the breakup dissapears much more 'softly' than the V30. You do lose some bass response. You also lose the upper midrange peak that IMO makes the V30 sound aggressive. It gives the amp that old school rock sound that's a bit more open than the V30 which is much more focussed.

Sorry I can't help more on the G12H. Hope that helps a bit anyway.

Orphin · Post by **Orphin** » Fri May 02, 2008 12:55 pm

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">That means in a 4x12 they'd have a power handling of 120W and 100W respectively. Can't remember the power of your Ormat...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
 
You mean 140W? (35x4=140)

The Ormat is my most powerful amp I own at the moment, it's 50W.
Thanks for replying!

Bink · Post by **Bink** » Fri May 02, 2008 1:00 pm

Yes I do mean 140W!!! (man, my brain was thinking G12H30, therefore 30w x 4)

Shouldn't have any power handling issues then with the Ormat.
I think it would sound pretty good with both, apparently you get a bit more bass from the G12Hs than the G12Ms, but have also heard people say that the G12Hs highs can be a bit harsh.

Think they used different colours depending on what they had (have also heard of cream coloured 'greenbacks')

Orphin · Post by **Orphin** » Fri May 02, 2008 2:00 pm

I spoke to my friend again. He said the speakers were called G12L35 not G12H35. Du you know anything about the L speakers?

Bink · Post by **Bink** » Fri May 02, 2008 2:06 pm

I know it means light magnet (where M is medium and H, heavy magnet). Don't know much else I'm afraid. There's some Harmony central reviews here (for what they're worth).
http://reviews.harmony-central.com/revi ... 2L-35/10/1

Orphin · Post by **Orphin** » Fri May 02, 2008 2:52 pm

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> I know it means light magnet (where M is medium and H, heavy magnet).<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
 
Thanks a lot for that info! I had no idea. Now it makes so much more sence.

Magic · Post by **Magic** » Fri May 02, 2008 4:06 pm

The L speaker is a "weaker" speaker imo. Go for the G12M's. If you stumble over real G12H30's then you can think twice about the M's. I think the H30's are less "papery" than greenbacks. Got a fuller sound.

Orphin · Post by **Orphin** » Sun May 04, 2008 10:30 am

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Magic
 The L speaker is a "weaker" speaker imo. Go for the G12M's. If you stumble over real G12H30's then you can think twice about the M's. I think the H30's are less "papery" than greenbacks. Got a fuller sound.
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But I'm not sure if I want a full sound. My Orange cabs are full as it is. I want something with a different flavor in the mids, top end. I'll mostly use this cab when recording anyway, and then I'll be using the Orange cabs too.. Ãƒâ€žru mÃƒÂ©?

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