slave heads and overdrives

nrkprod · Post by **nrkprod** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 2:15 am

could a slave 120 head be paired with an overdrive 120, and one be clean and one be overdriven?

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Post by **bclaire** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 3:53 am

I've never had any practical experience with slaves.... but from what I understand, the slave is totally based on how the preamp of the first amp is set... so if the OR120 is dirty, the slave will be too...

Billy

retrotone · Post by **retrotone** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:02 am

someone explain to me what a slave amp is?

Post by **bclaire** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:24 pm

Slave amp is a power amp only- it has a volume knob and is used with slave out from Orange amps into the power amp of the slave unit which in turn powers up to two cabs...

retrotone · Post by **retrotone** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 4:09 pm

oh now i understand? do u mean its just like a big dummy amp thats just a big clean?

Post by **bclaire** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:17 pm

exactly... well, not totally clean since the power tubes would add power tube distortion if it was really cranked.

Edbig · Post by **Edbig** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 8:45 pm

You won't get much sound from a slave if you plug the guitar straight into it.
You must have some sort of preamp that boosts the input signal to the slave amp.
In other words an Orange slave is an Orange OR 120 with no preamp section.
I have been told that Jimmy Hendrix used a big muff straight into an Orange slave on "Foxy Lady".
I don't have a big muff so I don't know how this would sound.

peter6toy · Post by **peter6toy** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 9:39 pm

I have a big muff alright ...

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retrotone · Post by **retrotone** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 12:53 am

i didnt know oranges were around in '67 maybe i should read that history thang again. someone tell me when they started.

Post by **bclaire** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:51 am

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I have been told that Jimmy Hendrix used a big muff straight into an Orange slave on "Foxy Lady".<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Tuesday December 13, 1966
London CBS Studios 4PM to 7PM
Producer: Chas Chandler
Engineer: Mike Ross

"Foxey Lady," one of Hendrix's most provocative songs, would be the focus of the evening's sessions...

...When Hendrix, Redding, and Chandler entered, Ross was taken aback by the sight of Jimi's amplifiers. "Jimi came in with four Marshall cabinets, which I couldn't believe," admits Ross. "How was I to mike this? Jimi told me to stick a microphone eight feet away from the cabinets and it would sound great.. He actually showed me where to place the microphone, and I put a U-67 valve mike where he had instructed me to." After Ross had set up the microphones and established the desired sounds, Chandler was eager to begin. A number of rehearsals prefaced the cutting of basic tracks...

... In addition to completeing "Foxey Lady," the group also recorded versions of both "Can You See Me" and "Third Stone From the Sun."

From Jimi Hendrix Sessions- The Complete Studio Recording Sessions 1963-1970

The Big Muff/Orange story is urban legend... since it was recorded in '66 and I don't think there could have been an Orange slave even thought up yet...

Billy

Edited by - bclaire on 28 Sep 2004 02:57:02

Edbig · Post by **Edbig** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:44 pm

I agree. It's not a likely story.
However I have to wonder if it is based on someones recolection of Hendrix trying this setup at some point, which is highly likely.
I must get a Big Muff and try it sometime.
I think the OR 200 power amp with a fuzz / distortion / overdrive as the preamp could be interesting, provided the pedal has enough gain and a tone adjustment on board.

Post by **bclaire** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:29 pm

I've seen obscure pictures over the years of John Lennon playing through an Orange, B.B. King playing through an Orange, etc. and in all cases they were sitting in with a band...

...but I have never heard of Hendrix playing through an Orange ever... and I'd LOVE to see a picture of it but I really suspect that he never did. I know of the stories of his trying new things all of the time, but Orange was never one of them. I think he was very happy with his Marshalls... sounds like he experimented more with effects than with amps.

Billy

Post by **bclaire** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:31 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I think the OR 200 power amp with a fuzz / distortion / overdrive as the preamp could be interesting, provided the pedal has enough gain and a tone adjustment on board.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

I doubt whether a fuzzbox or overdrive pedal would provide anything close to the level that a preamp would provide... I don't think it would work. You'd need some sort of preamp to provide a signal you could use...

Billy

pedro · Post by **pedro** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 10:24 pm

floyd is also not known to have played oranges, yet i saw a picture of them with some oranges in a book, think it was called "in the pink"

Edbig · Post by **Edbig** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:01 am

Well my curiosity compelled me to put a DOD 250 overdrive in front of the Orange Matamp OR200 Slave amp this afternoon. You would be amazed at the sound it produced. Plenty of gain. No tone knob on the 250 but didn't need. The sound is clear well defined and loud. It sounded best with the gain knob backed off a bit so the sustain could be better.
I could see using another pedal like a tube screamer after the DOD 250 to get even more overdrive and sustain.
I also tried an original ProCo Rat but it was boomy and less defined.
More experimentation is in order.

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