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Post by brinktile » Sun May 20, 2007 6:27 am

I need a good boost pedal, any suggestions? I've Got a Tube screamer and an RC boost. They dont boost my signal enough for lead work, even when cranked all the way up.

What is everyone using for a boost?

Thanks, Jarred.

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Post by Neiloler » Sun May 20, 2007 6:32 am

What amp are you using, and what is the amp set to (clean, dirty, low gain knob-highmaster, etc)?

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Post by brinktile » Sun May 20, 2007 7:17 am

Retro 50 head. Gain 2:00, Volume 10:00, eq's at 12:00.

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Post by Keld » Sun May 20, 2007 7:38 am

Sorry if I'm repeating myself form another thread, but you should try the bbpreamp. I like it a lot with the Retro 50 and it has separate controls for volume, gain, and high and low eq.

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Post by Neiloler » Sun May 20, 2007 7:41 am

You might try using your pedals still, and just taking the gain knob back a bit to about 1:00. I found that I got bigger boost levels out of most of my pedals by doing this. I believe, at least to my ear, that when you crank up the gain to the 2:00 level, you start getting the really compressed tube sound, which is great, but a boost pedal only compresses things more, thus you won't be able to get the same reaction you would if you back the gain of, set the master to where you want, and then use the boost.

But then again, I'm not an owner of a Retro 50. Try this idea out though, it's simple, and may sound stupid, I know. I didn't think it would do much for my Rocker, but it was a great way to still get some guts out of my pedals.

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Post by brinktile » Sun May 20, 2007 7:53 am

Thanks for the suggestions guys. Maybe I'll try the bbpreamp. What do you think of using my pedals in reverse. Turning up my amp and setting my RC boost for a lower sound, and when I go to my lead, hitting the boost off. Would this work?

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Post by brinktile » Sun May 20, 2007 5:24 pm

Neil, backing off my gain even to about 10:00 doesnt do the job still. It just doesnt boost me enough to cut through in the band setting. I'm finding that I have to reach over and adjust my volume knob and then back it down after a solo.

There has to be a simple solution. How is everyone getting a decent boost level. Is anyone playing solo's?

Jarred.

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Post by guitarmy50 » Sun May 20, 2007 5:42 pm

For boosting volume and gain a tad for solos alot of people seem to like the MXR Micro Amp. Alternately, sometimes I find it works to roll my guitar's volume down a bit, set the gain and volume on my amp how I like it based on that, and then turning the guitar's volume back up for lead work.

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Post by notagain » Sun May 20, 2007 6:06 pm

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<br />For boosting volume and gain a tad for solos alot of people seem to like the MXR Micro Amp. Alternately, sometimes I find it works to roll my guitar's volume down a bit, set the gain and volume on my amp how I like it based on that, and then turning the guitar's volume back up for lead work.
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Post by irish_admiral » Sun May 20, 2007 7:15 pm

Jarred,

Just as a general point, for solos you should be boosting the volume of your guitar signal up to about the same as where vocals are. You shouldn't need to go louder. I'd be surprised if the RC boost doesn't help you there...

As a serious question, have you tried using your volume control instead?
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Post by half_deaf » Sun May 20, 2007 7:29 pm

Do you have anyone in the crowd telling you about the mix? Not doubting what your are saying.. it just seems strange you cant get enough volume even with the boost cranked. As a guitarist and a soundman, these things stick out: 1)Are you cutting through the mix? sometimes a tweak of the EQ can help alot..especially if you have another guitar player or an overpowering bass player 2)Is your rhythm volume as loud as it needs to be ? Maybe your overall volume is too low before your lead work even starts. 3) Are these volumes from your stage perspective or from a trained ear in the crowd? Positioning in the room can really alter things.

Just some thoughts to ponder. If those dont work out, I dont know. The BBE Boosta Grande will give you 20 dB of clean gain. But at the end of that 20 dB spectrum = noise/hiss.
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Post by mr_william » Sun May 20, 2007 8:24 pm

ive found rollin back helps loads.. and i also bulit myself this... just because i could!? hehe... stickin it out front of the amp.. allows it to act like a volume pot on the guitar, having a pre set ammount of roll off but in a footswitch... where as puttin it in the fxs loop.. just limits pre amp gain, into power amp.. so instead of rolling off gain like it would before.. all it does is alter the volume..


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Post by brinktile » Sun May 20, 2007 8:25 pm

Wow, this is why I love this forum. Great suggestions. As far as backing the guitar volume back, I loose some of my killer sound with it backed down on the rhythm. However, I will try it again.

Heath, I think you may have hit the nail on the head. We have an overpowering bass player,(right next to me when we play), and another guitarist who plays a cornford head that cuts through very well. So when I do some lead work I have a hard time cutting through, I may just not be loud enough. The other guitarist and the drummer cant hear me on lead work. We havent played out anywhere yet, so its not the audience.

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Post by brinktile » Sun May 20, 2007 8:28 pm

I forgot to ask, is it a stupid Idea to play with my amp cranked with my RC boost on low for rhythm, and then kick the boost off for lead work?

Jarred

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Post by mr_william » Sun May 20, 2007 8:29 pm

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by brinktile</i>
<br />Wow, this is why I love this forum. Great suggestions. As far as backing the guitar volume back, I loose some of my killer sound with it backed down on the rhythm. However, I will try it again.
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treble bleed mod?

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that might help...

if u tweek the amp to sound as it would for ur rythem sound with ur guitar on 7 instead of 10.. then when u turn up.. use that!?
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