Apologies

defdan · Post by **defdan** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:18 pm

For my terrible ignorance but I'd just like to ask a quick question.
I've been playing guitar for a few months now and I just have a very basic amp, as I'm hoping to progress further with my guitar playing I am looking at purchasing an Orange amp for when I'm more proficient. Would this be foolish of me considering I'm hardly a guitar pro?
Are there any models you would advise?

Thanks for any help you can provide

Edbig · Post by **Edbig** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:05 pm

I would buy an AD30 to start with. It's a great sounding amp and not to big. Plenty of volume and gain though. Youcan always sell it if you don't continue to play.

defdan · Post by **defdan** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:11 pm

Thanks for the advice

Do you know how much they usually sell for?

Andy H. · Post by **Andy H.** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:17 pm

Welcome Defdan!
Apologies? What for? No need - none at all!
I don't think you need to be a guitar pro at all to make it worth having really good gear to use for your music making. And I do feel that getting the best you can afford always pays you back. If you've got great sounds it really does inspire you to play better - that's a fact! And the great sounds come from great sounding gear. And from your fingers, through playing lots and getting good, because you enjoy it. Because you're getting great sounds! (See where I'm coming from?)
Trouble is, great gear costs a lot. That's a fact of life. <img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>

The 'Crush' series are a sort of inexpensive introductory range, but not really very similar to the more expensive 'valve' Oranges. Very few of us here have actually even tried the crushes. They are probably pretty good as beginners / practice amps, but not really for serious gigging. (That's not being snobbish, just honest!) There are plenty of other good amps competing with them, but I believe they are pretty good amps for the money.

The 'serious' (ie valve) ones start now with two 30 watt combo amps: the twin speaker 'AD30', and the brand new single speaker 'Rocker 30'. Either of these would be something really worth saving up for. (I'm looking forward to trying the newer one myself sometime.) And you could definitely do small / medium size gigs with them. Orange also do bigger amps: 50, 100 and 140 watts, and a massive 200 watt bass amp too. But all of these are really only used for gigging on medium to large stages. You couldn't really use them properly at home as they only sound their best when running loud - total overkill!
There were also a couple of smaller combos made up 'till recently, but sadly they are no more. If you ever spot an AD 15/10 or an AD 15/12 second hand anywhere, they are great little amps.

Hope you're enjoying your playing, and just come back here anytime you want, and ask away. If it will help you decide what to get, and how to use it, well we all like talking amps here!
Have fun! <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
Andy.

Andy H. · Post by **Andy H.** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:21 pm

By the way, according to the rules of the forum we can't really discuss retail prices, I'm afraid. That's because we're (loosely) linked to the official company website.
Just check shop prices in the music press, and dealer websites - that's the easiest way.

Andy.

irish_admiral · Post by **irish_admiral** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:22 pm

Hello, welcome to the forum. Pretty much what Andy had said... it's definitely nice when you have a good amp as it does make you want to play more. I definitely got bored with my old solid state amp, and play a lot more now i've got my Orange.

As to whether it's worth your while just because you're 'not a pro'... well, I guess that's up to you. Might want to find one going 2nd hand. If you've got the money, i'd say go for it.

Don't tell me the best way, just tell me the cheapest way...

defdan · Post by **defdan** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:24 pm

Thank you Andy <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

I definitely like the Orange range and have heard quite a few artists use them at gigs I have been to and although I'm obviously not very technical I know good, clear sound when I hear it and I'm impressed!

At the end of the day I suppose it comes down to how committed I am and the funds I have at my disposal, are there any particular distributors I should look at?

Edited by - defdan on 02 Sep 2004 22:26:22

mouldi101 · Post by **mouldi101** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:58 pm

if your anywhere near east anglia, the music warehouse in colchester are always very friendly and the prices aren't bad either!

i think the link is http://www.music-warehouse.co.uk/ you do have to email them for prices (of all the orange stuff, they can get anything for you) and they will email back within the day usually!

irish_admiral · Post by **irish_admiral** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:50 am

Yeah, the resale value won't change much if you sell it on from having bought it 2nd hand, unless you've blitzed it to pieces...

Don't tell me the best way, just tell me the cheapest way...

Tibor · Post by **Tibor** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:25 am

iam sorry to name a other amp...

but think of a FAME
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http://www.musicstorekoeln.de/englisch/ ... 006297-002

they are quite cheap, an i know a lot of musicians, who play them...they sound great for this price (clean sound is more a crunch sound with my Bill Lawrence L-500 Pickups...)

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Why is an ORANGE, orange? If it would be Green it would be an apple....

Gollum · Post by **Gollum** » Sat Sep 04, 2004 7:39 am

Ok, here is my little 2 cents worth

Used orange = Very little lost if you sell

New orange = a couple hundred bucks if you sell.

Carvin = A lot lost if you buy new. But they're cheep. And WAY worth the price.

http://carvin.com/products/single.php?I ... MAD&CID=GA

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... eName=WDVW

See, not a whole lot of resell value. You loose at least 100 bucks. And orange you might be able to sell for the same price if not higher if you buy used.

Steve Vai (very good guitarist) uses carvin amps exclusivlly. I've played this amp at carvin's central design building. I accually like the nomad more than the steve vai legacy.

So, it's gonna be about 600 bucks after tax, shipping and what not. That's not a ton of money. I spend 500 of my first amp (line6 flextone) and i'd much rather have bought this.

I'd really recomend not buying something out of continent. If your in europe find something nice over there, as anything from the US will be pricy for what you get. Also vis versa.

I really recomend checking your classifieds and check what people have used locally. This way you can check around what other people have any buy something used that you can play before you buy.

I also agree that playing guitar is ALL about being inspired, and guitar tone has alot to do with that. Being inspired is what it's all about. And tone doesn't come cheep. The cheepest amp i've seen that had good tone cost $350 USD. And it was an old 40's magnatone.

The thing to look for is that it's a ALL TUBE or ALL VALVE amp. And tube amp (aka valve) will have decent tone. Although a cheep tube amp might not have the greatest tone in the world you'll really appreciate having it down the road when you become a better player.

And honestlly, i've wanted an orange amp for 2 years now and just now have been able to start saving money for one. I'll probly have one next summer but it's been a long time in the waiting. If it's going to take a while to save up the money for an orange i'd really recomend just finding a little $200-$500 USD all tube amp. This would at least get you through the first couple years of guitar playing (unless your like me and play 5 hours a day

)

So that's most of what i have to say

Gollum, beholder of the eye.

irish_admiral · Post by **irish_admiral** » Sat Sep 04, 2004 9:17 am

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> unless your like me and play 5 hours a day

<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>Man, you've got way too much time! Nice to have it I guess...

Don't tell me the best way, just tell me the cheapest way...

Andy H. · Post by **Andy H.** » Sat Sep 04, 2004 10:39 am

My 2 Euro cents:
I look on Carvin amps as doing the same value for money thing as Peavey, but at a slightly more professional price level. Both companies do some very decent useable products.
When I was starting on 6 string electric I got an early PV Classic 30, which was a great little tube amp to learn the basics on. It can do some surprisingly good sounds, with nice clean through crunch on the clean channel. The lead channel is also well useable, and the reverb is quite decent. It's still available, (which to me shows a popular design), though Im not sure that the speakers used now are quite as nice as the Eminence mine came with. (I've still got the amp - I do like it...)
The only thing I'd say against it is that its not super rugged enough for frequent gigging - some delicate multicore flex connectors between the boards which can cause problems, and the tubes themselves are very vulnerable.

Carvin as Gollum says are well worth the price. Some great sounds and versatility to be had there.

Neither are in quite the same league as our favourite local fruity brand though. They are perhaps good stepping stones to get you the experience to really cook when you can afford the best flavours around. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Andy.

Gollum · Post by **Gollum** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:28 am

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> unless your like me and play 5 hours a day

<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>Man, you've got way too much time! Nice to have it I guess...

Don't tell me the best way, just tell me the cheapest way...
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Man, i don't have the time. I do it all at night. Why do you think i like low wattage amps?

I just don't sleep, fight club style baby. Pretty soon i'll have 2 personalities. One that's a computer nerd and one that's an uber rocker! Oh yea baby..

...in my dreams....

Gollum, beholder of the eye.

irish_admiral · Post by **irish_admiral** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 10:30 am

Well... send us a postcard then.

Don't tell me the best way, just tell me the cheapest way...

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