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User · Post by **User** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:22 pm

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wait...this may be a stupid question but does the marshall jcm 800 have 2 channels?

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Well i canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t say i know to much about Marshalls history, but as i understand it the jcm 800 is a series of amplifiers, with many amp's under that series name (much like the AD series for orange). I canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t swear on this, but I would imaging that under that series name there are amps with only one channel and ones with two + channels.

Dave

Andy H. · Post by **Andy H.** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:00 pm

The JCM 800's were (and the reissues are) in fact single channel amps, with twin inputs, normal and bright. The main difference between the early and later ones, was the later introduction of the 'diode clipping' thing that Billy mentioned. Basically, as I understand it, instead of pure valve overdrive, many recent Marshalls actually have a LED (Light Emitting Diode) in the circuit. (Yes, just like those glowing digits on many calculators etc...) The output from this is picked up by a sensor, and can give a very useful way of controlling the sound. But Marshall don't really advertise this as a major selling point for some reason... <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>
To my mind though, an early JCM 800 through one or two 412's, with everything dimed, is the classic rock Marshall tone. Trouble is it's a bit of a one sound wonder, (the higher you crank them, the less the tone controls do), so no matter how good that sound is, it's not enough for me! The classic Oranges, while never exactly matching that sound, can have much the same effect, but can do so much more besides. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
For much the same reason, I don't actually care if the Rockerverbs will be able to exactly nail the traditional 'scooped metal sound' or not. As long as they come up with some great new sounds, people who value individuality and versatility should find them very useful tools of the trade. I suspect that Orange have another winning series on their hands - I certainly hope so!

Andy.

irish_admiral · Post by **irish_admiral** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:02 pm

Depends on the model. Some are single channel, others are twin, still more are single channel with a gain boost (so two channels really).

Don't tell me the best way, just tell me the cheapest way...

Andy H. · Post by **Andy H.** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:07 pm

Uh okay - I didn't realise that there were twin channel versions! Have only ever seen / played the solo models myself.

Andy.

irish_admiral · Post by **irish_admiral** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 12:44 am

Yeah, you're right for the most part. I would have assumed a fair few had a boost switch, but only found the others when i went hunting through the archives on the Marshall site.

Don't tell me the best way, just tell me the cheapest way...

Lizard · Post by **Lizard** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 7:48 pm

I recently tested a Rocko 100 + 4x12 cab and i think it is capable of a very heavy metal sound. Certainly has more metal type gain than the ADs. Saying that though I think you should be looking at the Boogie direction as they are much more metallica and Slayer than the Orange. As far as I know Season in the Abyss & Reign in Blood used a lot of JCM 800s in their recordings. Its a classic amp! I still prefer my orange!

spoonie g · Post by **spoonie g** » Tue Aug 03, 2004 6:16 am

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The JCM 800's were (and the reissues are) in fact single channel amps, with twin inputs, normal and bright. The main difference between the early and later ones, was the later introduction of the 'diode clipping' thing that Billy mentioned. Basically, as I understand it, instead of pure valve overdrive, many recent Marshalls actually have a LED (Light Emitting Diode) in the circuit. (Yes, just like those glowing digits on many calculators etc...) The output from this is picked up by a sensor, and can give a very useful way of controlling the sound. But Marshall don't really advertise this as a major selling point for some reason... <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>
To my mind though, an early JCM 800 through one or two 412's, with everything dimed, is the classic rock Marshall tone. Trouble is it's a bit of a one sound wonder, (the higher you crank them, the less the tone controls do), so no matter how good that sound is, it's not enough for me! The classic Oranges, while never exactly matching that sound, can have much the same effect, but can do so much more besides. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
For much the same reason, I don't actually care if the Rockerverbs will be able to exactly nail the traditional 'scooped metal sound' or not. As long as they come up with some great new sounds, people who value individuality and versatility should find them very useful tools of the trade. I suspect that Orange have another winning series on their hands - I certainly hope so!

Andy.

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also, the JCM2000 series is all tube; no diodes.

Andy H. · Post by **Andy H.** » Tue Aug 03, 2004 7:28 am

I did say many recent Marshalls.
And yes, I have heard great things of the JCM2000's - very versatile amps I'm sure.
(I'm not anti Marshall at all. But the closest I'll probably get to owning one is the silly little 10watt PA amp I have with a Marshall sticker on one end. It's not a Marshall, but recorded sounds like a great one!)

Andy.

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Anachronism · Post by **Anachronism** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 5:28 pm

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i dont know what guitarists you talk to that say marshall hasn't built a good amp since the 70's, but one of the greatest rock amps of all time was built right up until the early 90's, the jcm 800. that "standard" sound which you speak of is rock guitar at its finest. the only thing i like more than a cranked orange is a cranked marshall.

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To be honest, I prefer a cranked Vox AC15 going through a greenback loaded cab than that of a Marshall, and dare I say, Orange?

Rimnorezn · Post by **Rimnorezn** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 5:53 pm

I just sold my JCM2000 head to fund an AD30TC. Where I play, everyone either has a Marshall or has an amp that is trying to be a Marshall. It has become the "vanilla" at the ice cream shop of rock. A JCM2000 can definitely do metal and they are cheap. Thought I think the OD2 Channel is muddy and unusable... seems to be the consensus among Marshall peeps as well. Also, the Marshall uses a solid state rectifier.

Brutalitarian Supremacy · Post by **Brutalitarian Supremacy** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:10 pm

I play in a Black Metal band (Brutalitarian Supremacy)and run a Mesa Dual Rec.,Marshall TSL100 & Orange OR120...when we recorded our album (will be out around Mar 09)we spent a month just tracking the guitars and seeking tone...the Orange just,as the engineer put it, muscled it's way over every amp we put in front of it...in my opinion an old Orange and a good OD is one of the darkest, nastiest sounds you'll ever wrench out of a guitar...so to those who say you can't get a "good" metal sound out of an Orange...i say you're a feeble guitarist...attack the amp w/ fury!....it'll thank ya for it!

_steveng · Post by **_steveng** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:24 pm

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Brutalitarian Supremacy
 I play in a Black Metal band (Brutalitarian Supremacy)and run a Mesa Dual Rec.,Marshall TSL100 & Orange OR120...when we recorded our album (will be out around Mar 09)we spent a month just tracking the guitars and seeking tone...the Orange just,as the engineer put it, muscled it's way over every amp we put in front of it...in my opinion an old Orange and a good OD is one of the darkest, nastiest sounds you'll ever wrench out of a guitar...so to those who say you can't get a "good" metal sound out of an Orange...i say you're a feeble guitarist...attack the amp w/ fury!....it'll thank ya for it!
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i'd have to agree.
i figure with metal, the low end is key to the sound.
if you can fork up the money, i think a thunderverb 200 would do very well the the extended tonal range and everything.
take between the buried and me for instance. (although i've never actually seen them play an orange live, according to the orange artist webpage, they use orange for something.)
they definately have some "speed metal" in them.

kmlabs · Post by **kmlabs** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 1:02 am

For what it's worth, I play metal in one of my bands (Obsidia).

We cover Enter Sandman and For Whom the Bell Tolls, as well as playing our own stuff in the style of Metallica, Slayer etc, and my RV50 sounds way better than the other guitarist's Marshall (that's his opinion as well as mine!).

hellhazard · Post by **hellhazard** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 2:25 pm

You certainly listed a bunch of totaly different "Metal" sounds to try to emulate with a single Orange amp.
Metallica and Pantera would be best suited to a RANDALL amps (Kirk Hammett signature series is available these days) ....I think KRANK amps did a Dimebag amp just before he was murdered also
Slayer to a JCM800 Marshall ( there is even a Kerry King version out)
The most versatile amp for your range is probably not an Orange.

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