spoke to Damian at Orange HQ UK

Derek W Cumbers · Post by **Derek W Cumbers** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 5:54 pm

Hi

You may have seen my couple of posts, as a new member to this forum I was asking advice mainly re Orange Combos. Then after reading several comments re AD30TC & The new Rockerverb 50 Combo it finnaly came to me!! Orange are UK MANUFACTURED not USA wow after all the years of Boogie and Fender Hughes Kettner Line 6 now we are back to the UK but not Marshall.

So I rang them and a chap called Damian rang me back we had a good old chin wag re amps (which I know little about) it did give me the oppertunity to clear up a couple of things

1. Their website (which is terrible) is being re vamped and will soon be uploaded.

2.Orange amps do not come with foot switches they are all avalible at a optional cost.

3.The new Guartarist mag has a review of the Rockerverb 50.

We talked about what I was currently playing a Boogie Lonestar Lone it may be Star it most definatly isn't!!! We talked about how the new Rockerverb offers greater use of the dirty channel and the way that Orange in fact do what all good UK farmers do and that is

"PLOUGH A STEADY FURROW LAD ! "
they have made changes after requests and careful narket research in other words having customer awareness.......To that he said I should go play the AD30TC & the Rockerverb 50 having got a list of so called main dealers I set about ringing 5 withinn a 100 mile radius of where I live Blyth Notts. Yes I rang em up they have never heard of a Rockerverb one chap thought it was a new Motorbike.

I quickly gave up and the only thing I could find Orange apart from a Fruit and a Telephone was a shop with a Pine Cabinet Limited Edition ADTC30 no3/100 made! as I new the chap at the shop he lent me a new strat of the wall and a lead I plugged in and started to play using the amp as clean soon.
I had adjusted the sucker and was belting out what sounded like some nice tunes chords and a bit of lead work SRV Buddy Hooly THe Stones all sorts came to my fingers then I switched to the second channel played around with the settings gain mid etc , I have to say the Ist channel was brilll clean and very reseptive I could paly all kinds of stuff just using that and the volume knob on the Strat.

The second dirty channel I was less happy with it was crunchy but not distorted enough for me although I did not have enough time to play longer I was very impressed with this unit.

Here is the question if and when I can find a Rockerverb will the dirty channel be more dirty than the AD30TC ? and just as important will the Clean channel be as Clean ??????

It's strange that these amps are made in the UK yet the only folk I have read who are palying them are Americans some 5.000 miles away!
Where are they in the UK it must be a secret ? Lets hope the Orange Website comes on line soon with lots of pics and goodies to promote their gear, I have just run around Worksop and Doncaster bought both the Guiartarist and The Guitar mags but No Orange review maybe Danmian had a different mag?

Any help would be welcome

Big Derek <ul><li> </li><li> </li><li> </li></ul> <ul><li> </li><li> </li><li> </li></ul><center></center><center></center>

DW CUMBERS

User · Post by **User** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 7:18 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Here is the question if and when I can find a Rockerverb will the dirty channel be more dirty than the AD30TC ? and just as important will the Clean channel be as Clean ??????<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

The rockerverb is designed to have 2 completely different sounding channels (Dirty and clean), the AD's 2 are very similar sounding by design, i think i read the second channel of the ADÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s may have one different resistor, but I might be well wrong on that.
Basically I havenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t had ago of a rockerverb yet, but from what I have read the clean is cleaner and the dirty is Ã¢â‚¬Å“dirtierÃ¢â‚¬

Post by **bclaire** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 8:02 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>1. Their website (which is terrible) is being re vamped and will soon be uploaded.

2.Orange amps do not come with foot switches they are all avalible at a optional cost.

3.The new Guartarist mag has a review of the Rockerverb 50.

It's strange that these amps are made in the UK yet the only folk I have read who are palying them are Americans some 5.000 miles away!
Where are they in the UK it must be a secret ?
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Gee, Derek, if you'd been closely reading the forum you would have known all of that already!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

The website is actually really good- just not updated regularly. Any new design will be good but useless in 6 months if not updated.

As far as being American, I had to go to England to hear a Rockerverb. Specifically, the Guitar Bass and Keyboard Centre in Brighton. Really nice guys there- I got carried away with playing it and didn't realise that the shop had closed but they were too polite to say so. (That wouldn't happen in the US IMHO)

The clean channels in the Rockerverb and AD30TC couldn't be more different. The AD30TC basically has the capability of having the two channels totally match. Your clean channel can have any amount of grit that you'd like to dial in. Not so with the Rockerverb- it's CLEAN. Way clean and you can only dirty it up at either LOUD volume or with some sort of pedal. The dirty channel of the Rockerverb seems to have more gain, if desired, than the AD30TC.

The Rockerverb has an effects loop while the AD30TC doesn't. I don't care personally whether it does or not but lots do.

At the end of the day, I prefer the AD30TC which is more versatile for me.

Billy

Edited by - bclaire on 17 Jul 2004 20:03:52

Derek W Cumbers · Post by **Derek W Cumbers** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 10:00 pm

At the end of the day, I prefer the AD30TC which is more versatile for me.

Billy

Hi Billy

Re website: I still say its bad having few or No Pictures of the Amps and when you read new for 2001 and "hey hear we are nearing 2005." Anyway thats my opinion. I just like brighter sites.
see mine .........

www.elite-wings.co.uk

Now to the more serious stuff can you explain what you mean by more versitile. In what way and can you not replecate channel 1 and 2 on the Rockerverb just like you can on the AD30TC ? or do you mean it has a different valve set up on 1 and 2 channels ?

What do players mean by effects looping tubes I do not understand ?

I will try and find someone with both AD AND Rockerverve but it is not easy and play them both . Which one will work better at lower volumes ?

thank you for the help and ideas

Big D

DW CUMBERS

User · Post by **User** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 10:23 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Now to the more serious stuff can you explain what you mean by more versatile. In what way and can you not replicate channel 1 and 2 on the Rockerverb just like you can on the AD30TC ? or do you mean it has a different valve set up on 1 and 2 channels ?
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Now i know im not Billy (but i think what he means), and in my experience with my AD what you can do is basically get channel 1 and 2 to be exactly the same, now you'll ask we'll whatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s the point! well (in my experiences) what i like doing is getting them to sound (give or take) the same but with one or other having slightly more gain or more bass on one channel etc... and then you have the capability of half way through a song (for example) to add/take away a little gain, bass, volume etcÃ¢â‚¬Â¦ Just to give more (I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t know if this is the right word butÃ¢â‚¬Â¦) texture to a song.
Now on the rockoverb you will never get the two channels to remotely sound the same, its the nature of that beast, from it you'll get a clean and a dirty (and from what ive read) no middle ground between them both.

In the end of the day, as you have said you really need to have them side by side and figure out which is the one for you, do you want fx loop, high gain, ultra clean Ã¢â‚¬â€œ clean channel, reverb or do you want two similar channels, clean that will Ã¢â‚¬Å“break upÃ¢â‚¬

Post by **bclaire** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 3:42 pm

I was agreeing with you on the website thing, Derek...

what do I mean by more versatile?

AD30TC: channels one and two are basically identical. You can set channel two to be a dirtier version of channel one so when you channel-switch the amp, it's a smooth transition between the two sounds.

ROCKERVERB: channels one and two are voiced totally differently. Channel one is squeaky clean- very difficult to dirty it up for a crunchier rhythm sound.

The AD could be made to sound cleaner by adjusting the gain and EQ. The ROCKERVERB has no EQ and no gain for channel one so that's the sound you have no matter what...

Do you know what an effects loop does? Your question seems to sound like you're not sure...

EFFECTS LOOP: is an "in" and an "out" that allows you to insert effects after the preamp and before the sound gets to the power amp tubes. The advantages to this are that pedals in front of an amp tend to be noisy- effects inserted via the effects loop are quieter in regards to noise and affect the sound of the guitar's signal after being subject to an amp's sound by the preamp tubes. It allows a lot of the amp's characteristics to shine through.

and while we're comparing websites, go here:

www.theallens.theallens.com

Billy

Edited by - bclaire on 18 Jul 2004 15:43:26

Derek W Cumbers · Post by **Derek W Cumbers** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:03 pm

Hi Billy ,

yes I checked out the website looks like you fella's enjoy tour band, I am in between bands now as i have fell out with a member and when I think it was my band! still it go's like that sometimes. I am wanting to get my gear sorted anyway as I have said i have bought the Boogie Lonesar and it will have to go. This Orange thing I still can,t get my head around it the AD are you saying that you play clean say on 1 and then just a slight bit dirtier on 2, then what do you use pedals? for a reak fuzz/or dirty sound ?

Can you say that you have had the Rockerverb side by side with your AD30TC and put them at test, sorry to keep going over this but I am keen to get it right this time and get back to playing.

have you palyed the Fender Hot Rod Delux ? a guy keeps telling me that they are the best and so underated ? I know they are cheap but if they give the sounds ? Also there is a firm in the USA that send you a upgrade kit or something for the Hot Rod.

I have not found any one with a Rockerverb including Brighton although that is some 300 mile away. What is your set up and what type of stuff do you chaps play. We want to be able to play 60's Rock & Roll, SRV, Animals, Kinks, Stones, The Who, Robert Palmer,Clapton,Buddy Holly,The Shadows (which I use a Zoom508 echo unit)

any help would be good

BiG D

DW CUMBERS

Joey · Post by **Joey** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 8:11 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>This Orange thing I still can,t get my head around it the AD are you saying that you play clean say on 1 and then just a slight bit dirtier on 2, then what do you use pedals? for a reak fuzz/or dirty sound ?

Can you say that you have had the Rockerverb side by side with your AD30TC and put them at test, sorry to keep going over this but I am keen to get it right this time and get back to playing.

I have not found any one with a Rockerverb including Brighton although that is some 300 mile away. What is your set up and what type of stuff do you chaps play. We want to be able to play 60's Rock & Roll, SRV, Animals, Kinks, Stones, The Who, Robert Palmer,Clapton,Buddy Holly,The Shadows (which I use a Zoom508 echo unit)
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i dont know why you are having such a hard time understanding the ad channels. it couldn't be any easier. the channels are similar, meaning that you could have the channels produce the same tone or two different tones or 2 clean channels, 2 dirty channels, 1 clean 1 dirty, 1 dirty 1 dirtier etc.

i doubt you'll find anyone who has actually had the chance to sit down and play through both amps together, perhaps billy did when he tested the rocker, mainly because most stores dont carry orange and if they happen to carry them there will be a slim chance they actually have a variety of oranges in stock.

you can keep asking us questions till you are blue in the face, but the fact is every one has a different definition of everything. what one person finds clean, another may find dirty and so on. the only way you can make a decision is to play them yourself and make a judgement, or take the plunge and buy an orange without playing it first like most of us here did.

judging from the bands you listed, i cant imagine why you would need or want a rockerverb. the ad series would suit those tones perfectly. in your first post inn this thread you said the ad30tc didnt have enough gain... perhaps you were doing something wrong because the ad series has way more gain than you would ever need for playing 60's rock.

Post by **bclaire** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:48 pm

Derek-

you need an AD series amp. It will be perfect for you doing the songs you do. The Rockerverb will not suit you. You need a first channel that can have adjustable distortion to give your rhythm an edge- particularly for those Kinks, Stones, Who, etc. bands. Clean but with a nice edge to it.

But forget SRV on an Orange... it will be a compromise. For that you need a Fender and not a HotRod Deluxe....

And as far as HotRod Deluxes go: "You can't put a shine on a sneaker." or plimsoul... You could mod it 'til the end of the day and it's never going to be a better amp.

Billy

Jammer · Post by **Jammer** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 4:59 am

So what kind of music are you suggesting would be better with the Rockerverb, compared with the AD?

Joey · Post by **Joey** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 6:18 am

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
So what kind of music are you suggesting would be better with the Rockerverb, compared with the AD?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

well, here is how orange describes the rockerverb in their own words.

"We wanted to produce an amplifier that would not only provide the trademark Orange sound, but would also allow the guitarist to really drive the front end", commented Jason Green, President of Orange USA. "Think retro chime meets nu metal and you wouldn't be far off! We've built a solid user base in the rock and pop-punk genres, but we're very keen to break the mold. The Rockerverb amplifiers allow the versatility to tackle everything from country through hardcore with a richness of tone that is absolutely unbelievable! We're going to make a lot of guitarists very happy!"

to me, that means it has a lot more preamp saturation so it would suit modern music better, not to say that the ad cant do modern, but the rocker is specifically designed to cover it.

saewat · Post by **saewat** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 7:23 pm

I had the Hot Rod Deluxe 1X12 for 6 years before i bought the orange, and this is my review: IT SUCKS. Sure, it's prolly one of the cheapest tube amp that's loud enough to play small gigs with (which is why i had gotten it), but please, let's not compare hot rods and oranges.

Lark Street Music in Teaneck, NJ has both AD series, custom and rocker series combos, heads, and cabs.

I tried both of them side by side, and i bought the AD30TCH.

There are sound clips of all these amps all over this forum, and i can't think of a better way of deciding between the amps (without trying it).

Bclair, may be you can archive all the recordings into your FAQ website?

Sae "say what?" Lee

Derek W Cumbers · Post by **Derek W Cumbers** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 10:06 am

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Derek-

you do. The Rockerverb will not suit you. You need a first channel that can have adjustable distortion to give your rhythm an edge- particularly for those Kinks, Stones, Who, etc. bands. Clean but with a nice edge to it

Thank you for your idea's. can I ask what if i buy the AD and wanted more fuzz/dirty could i use a effects pedal and the same re a little chorus etc , as this amp has no effects loop will it sound bad re effects etc ?

If not then surley i could have a clean channel a slighty crunchier one say for rytham but when turned up on the guiatr it would do lead, and with a press of a pedal i could have some real dirty stuff .

Yes ? Or am I cacking up. That's why I bought the Boogie Lonestar as it has these 3 options but it is not for me.

BIG D

DW CUMBERS

Post by **bclaire** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 2:20 pm

you can always put effects pedals in front of the amp...

Derek W Cumbers · Post by **Derek W Cumbers** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 5:44 pm

Well I have to say I am very impressed with Orange as a Company , so far I am only a potential customer. I have to also appologise for calling their Sales Director Damion when its Damon "never mind I am a Sales Director to and boy do I get called some names especialy with a surname of Cumbers !

Damon has e-mailed me (without me asking) with his intentions to get me a Rockerverb 50W Combo to a relitively local shop where I will be able to hopefully borrow both the AD30TC and the Rocerverb take them home for a weekend and play them side by side "COOL" Then I can make my bloody mind and ditch the Boogie Lonestar, "Only thing is my little Puppy dog is called Boogie after the amp" and she knows her name , Well "here Orange don't sound right!"

so I am looking forward to Saturday.

Thank you for all your help to

BIG D

DW CUMBERS

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